Saints are putting too much pressure on Brees, asking him to be perfect. (1 Viewer)

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Last week vs Seattle on first down.
-22rushes for 63 yards 2.9 yards a carry.
-9/10 for 122 yards passing 12.2 a pass

Also the Saints were 9/15 on 3rd down and if you had the 2 flags on 3rd down so the Saints were really 11 of 17 on 3rd down. The Saints were also 11 of 17 on 3rd down vs San Diego, plus a 4th down td pass in that Game. That was game where they ran 22 times on first down and only passed 8 times on 1st down.

Some people will look at the 34/38 and 35/37 run pass ratio in those 2 games and credit balance for winning the game. When in truth it was the Saints converting 65% of there 3rd downs on both games. Usually when you convert 65% of 3rd downs you should win going away, not need a defense to make last minute stand to win. 34 rushes for 83 yards and 34 rushes for 95 yards if you take away hightower one 28 yard run is putting way too much pressure on your QB

And there kansas city game where the Saints were down 2 scores in the 2nd half and there playing like there ahead. When Ingram fumbled they had 14 runs to 13 passes in the 2nd half taking so much time off the clock, that they only had 4 meaning fulls possesions for Brees to com from behind. And even in the San Diego game down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, Payton was taking his time calling plays. Even after they get the fumble at the SD 13, down 2 scores they still no hurry to score, as they run the ball 3 times before Brees get one chance to keep the Saints by throwing a TD pass on 4th down. But they took over 2 minutes off the clock when they need all the time left on the clock.

Now compare that to the Patriots who get the ball at there own 10 at the Start of the 4th quarter up 21 points last week vs Buffalo. There taking deep shots, Empty formations throwing the ball all over the field, snaping the ball with 12 to 15 seconds left on the play clock. They playing more aggressive at faster tempo up 3 scores the Saints were down 2 scores vs Kansas city and San Diego.
 

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Some people will look at the 34/38 and 35/37 run pass ratio in those 2 games and credit balance for winning the game.
You can't tell me that in the 4th quarter:

A. The Seahawks weren't a little beaten up from the running game.
B. The Seahawks didn't feel they had to cover the entire field.
 

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Brees is stil one of the Top 3 players on this team


Thats what you ask your top players to do.


He, Camron Jordan, and Terron Armstead are the 3 most important pieces on this team as of now. When he starts to slide in that ranking you can ask him to do less and be justified as of right now his pay and what we are asking him to align perfectly.
 
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If my memory serves me correctly, we scored too fast against the Raiders and they were able to milk the clock before kicking a game winning field goal.
It would be nice if we were up 21 in the 4th qtr.
The Saints scored with 5 minutes left to take a 7 point lead and lost on a 2 point conversion.
 
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You can't tell me that in the 4th quarter:

A. The Seahawks weren't a little beaten up from the running game.
B. The Seahawks didn't feel they had to cover the entire field.
Seahawks were doing a great job stuffing the run. Rushing the passer takes more out of a defence then stoping the run. The Saints slow tempo on offence kept the seahawks defense from getting too tired.
 

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the fact we kept running the ball and made then they actually had to play it, is why we won. We didn't become one dimensional.
 

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Threads such as this serve as excellent reminders of the vast difference between professional coaches with a lifetime of experience at the top of their game and, putting it generously, opinionated amateurs. Thank you
 

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Last week vs Seattle on first down.
-22rushes for 63 yards 2.9 yards a carry.
-9/10 for 122 yards passing 12.2 a pass

Also the Saints were 9/15 on 3rd down and if you had the 2 flags on 3rd down so the Saints were really 11 of 17 on 3rd down. The Saints were also 11 of 17 on 3rd down vs San Diego, plus a 4th down td pass in that Game. That was game where they ran 22 times on first down and only passed 8 times on 1st down.

Some people will look at the 34/38 and 35/37 run pass ratio in those 2 games and credit balance for winning the game. When in truth it was the Saints converting 65% of there 3rd downs on both games. Usually when you convert 65% of 3rd downs you should win going away, not need a defense to make last minute stand to win. 34 rushes for 83 yards and 34 rushes for 95 yards if you take away hightower one 28 yard run is putting way too much pressure on your QB

And there kansas city game where the Saints were down 2 scores in the 2nd half and there playing like there ahead. When Ingram fumbled they had 14 runs to 13 passes in the 2nd half taking so much time off the clock, that they only had 4 meaning fulls possesions for Brees to com from behind. And even in the San Diego game down 2 scores in the 4th quarter, Payton was taking his time calling plays. Even after they get the fumble at the SD 13, down 2 scores they still no hurry to score, as they run the ball 3 times before Brees get one chance to keep the Saints by throwing a TD pass on 4th down. But they took over 2 minutes off the clock when they need all the time left on the clock.

Now compare that to the Patriots who get the ball at there own 10 at the Start of the 4th quarter up 21 points last week vs Buffalo. There taking deep shots, Empty formations throwing the ball all over the field, snaping the ball with 12 to 15 seconds left on the play clock. They playing more aggressive at faster tempo up 3 scores the Saints were down 2 scores vs Kansas city and San Diego.
ugh
 

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The most pressure put on Brees is from Brees hisself.
There's nothing the coaches or team can say to Drew that will put more pressure on him then he already does to himself. Drew strives for perfection, you only have to look at his records to understand. Drew has been one of and sometimes the best passers in the NFL even though he has had to put up more passes then 90% of the quarterbacks in the league!
 

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We discussed in another thread what happens when Brees throws the ball fewer times and we are much more balanced in the run game......the 3 most balanced seasons on record are 2006, 2009 and 2011 in terms of pass:run ratio.

Against Seattle, only 35 very economical attempts.
 

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Usually when you convert 65% of 3rd downs you should win going away
What are you basing "usually" on? Usually 28.7 points per game is a high-scoring team. But when you give up 30.7 on defense, you might not be winning as many games as that offensive production would "usually" suggest.

You can't base what a team "should" be doing based purely on offense. What if your defense is allowing opponents to convert at 85%? If that's the case, you're not going to be winning "going away" . . . it's nonsense.
 

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I'm ok passing at home, we have more time because of quiet, OL gets the jump knowing the count and hearing it, but away, we have to run to win
 

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I always have loved how people say "well so and so only would have had this many yards if they didn't have that one long run". As if long runs don't count or the offense didn't earn that long run. Dumbest saying in football.
 
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You can't tell me that in the 4th quarter:

A. The Seahawks weren't a little beaten up from the running game.
B. The Seahawks didn't feel they had to cover the entire field.
Look at the super bowl when new england played Seattle 2 years ago, the Pats ran the over 70 plays vs Seattle but they passed over 50 times in that game and by end of the game the seahawks pass rush had nothing left and Brady had all day in the pocket. I bet the seahawks were tired then vs the Rams.
 

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