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Because it's all circumstantial...there are seven other teams more penalized than the Saints.
Thanks for looking up the stats. imho, what many of us Who Dats are seeing is that the penalties being called on the Saints are costing us more 1st downs, points scored and defensive stops than any other team. I wish there were some comparative stats to prove this.
 

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It doesn't take a scientific study to know this; anyone paying attention to our games can see it. Still, I found this tweet very interesting:

I knew it.

Great analysis. Didn’t know where to find that data.

Someone send that to Goodell and Riveron and tell them we are on to it.

Not that it will matter.

Think I’ll put it on the NFL Twitter.
 

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These calls will de-sensitize the masses so that by the time the Saints get that game-changing penalty called on them in the playoffs, the masses will just credit it to the Saints being an undisciplined team that always shoots themselves in the foot.
I think it’s called a “long con”
 

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I'll take it from another angle - not saying I disagree - but offer up a different perspective. The other teams know that to beat the teams they cannot beat themselves so they have to play penalty free to give themselves any real shot. It's something all coaches preach throughout the season.

When you have the owners rolling over like Jerry did in the Dallas lost then there will be little change. It is "one of the things you have to live with." If that does not scream apathetic then I do not know what does, and if the owners do not perceive it as a problem because money continues to flow in through TV contracts and other avenues then do not expect a drastic change.

If anything, the attention will call into question the future referee teams and I'd expect the number of penalties to decrease against the Saints.

With that said, the Saints need to stop with the dumb "hands to the face" penalties and plays like Cam Jordan's from Sunday when the QB was already being sacked and the whistle was being blown right in his ear.
Brave stance to take here on our dumb penalties. I don't completely agree with you but I also can't disagree with you. I do very much respect you for this post!
 

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These calls will de-sensitize the masses so that by the time the Saints get that game-changing penalty called on them in the playoffs, the masses will just credit it to the Saints being an undisciplined team that always shoots themselves in the foot.
I think it’s called a “long con”
That's really scary Latt! Thanks much for the post
 

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Brave stance to take here on our dumb penalties. I don't completely agree with you but I also can't disagree with you. I do very much respect you for this post!
I'm just as emotionally charged about the calls than any one Swimmer. I was screaming things at my TV my kids have not heard in years, but I only hope to offer up a perspective through critical thinking. One tied to logic and reason rather than hyperbole.

You cannot affect what others do but you can affect what you do...Coach Payton has an awesome teaching and motivational tool in the open if he cares to use it.
 

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These calls will de-sensitize the masses so that by the time the Saints get that game-changing penalty called on them in the playoffs, the masses will just credit it to the Saints being an undisciplined team that always shoots themselves in the foot.
I think it’s called a “long con”
Straight from the propaganda playbook.
 

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These calls will de-sensitize the masses so that by the time the Saints get that game-changing penalty called on them in the playoffs, the masses will just credit it to the Saints being an undisciplined team that always shoots themselves in the foot.
I think it’s called a “long con”
They already think that.
 

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Watch other games. Watch how other teams DB's can put their hands on opposing WR, or grab them around the waist and knock the ball away without being called for holding. (we get called EVERY time). Watch how other teams can run pick plays, or hold on offense and NEVER get called. And I haven't seen offensive Pass interference called WITHOUT the offensive player extending their arm or INITIATING contact.

The networks have STOPPED replaying penalties called against us because it is just TOO OBVIOUS.
 

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It doesn't take a scientific study to know this; anyone paying attention to our games can see it. Still, I found this tweet very interesting:

So the implied conclusion would be it is intentional and being managed by someone or group? If so, how would this work? An instruction to refs would come down from above saying to tilt calls against Saints? A conspiracy like that would involve many people, and all knowing it is corrupt and I am guessing illegal (due to gambling legalities now if nothing else). Just seems something like that would leak out with so many having to be involved. Also, think about the leverage that would give the refs in negotiations with NFL for pay and benefits. Give us what we want or we're going public.

If it is not being managed from above, then it is just individual refs or ref groups applying bias on their own? That would be more likely, but it probably be more inconsistent as different ref groups cover the Saints. Guess the worst case is all refs are POed at us because of noise made after Ram game last year.
 

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So the implied conclusion would be it is intentional and being managed by someone or group? If so, how would this work? An instruction to refs would come down from above saying to tilt calls against Saints? A conspiracy like that would involve many people, and all knowing it is corrupt and I am guessing illegal (due to gambling legalities now if nothing else). Just seems something like that would leak out with so many having to be involved. Also, think about the leverage that would give the refs in negotiations with NFL for pay and benefits. Give us what we want or we're going public.

If it is not being managed from above, then it is just individual refs or ref groups applying bias on their own? That would be more likely, but it probably be more inconsistent as different ref groups cover the Saints. Guess the worst case is all refs are POed at us because of noise made after Ram game last year.
No for the gazzilioonth time.

It doens't have to be managed.

It just has to be bias on the part of the human refs who dislike or have a grudge against Payton and the Saints. It influences decisions, consciously or unconsciously but I am sure at times quite consciously.
 
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The thing to also look like, assuming from description that this is a rolling differential between calls against Saints vs # of calls against opponent would be then looking at deviation from average call against the Saints opponent when they play any other team.

And the difference in first downs gained or drives extended on 3rd down by penalty.

Those will probably show something similar.
 

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Brave stance to take here on our dumb penalties. I don't completely agree with you but I also can't disagree with you. I do very much respect you for this post!
I agree not all of the penalties are bad calls.

It's the imbalance and inconsistency and scrutinizing the Saints and letting it slide for the other team.

On the long bomb Ginn dropped, you KNOW that would have been PI from the contact on Ginn, even if it was a close call.

And the game a couple weeks ago for the Rams where he fumbled over the pylon out of the end zone. They gave him the TD. You KNOW this year if that was us they would have looked at the video for 10 minutes and called it a touch back.
 

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If they were just calling a lot of penalties against us that would be one thing. But they're calling a lot of penalties and they're calling them at critical situations. I've never seen so many ticky tack automatic first down calls.

3rd and 12 and we get a stop. Nope...hands to the face

3rd and 8 and we get a stop. Nope...pass interference

Third and longs might as well be called 3rd and automatic first down.
 

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