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1. Payton Turner, D+. I saw his name on the draft simulations I did on the PFF draft simulator. I even took him a few times but it was in the 3rd or 4th round so obviously this was a reach. He might be awesome but that doesn't matter because I didn't have him going in the 1st round.

2. Peter Werner, C-. He's a LBer so that's a good thing but he's white and his name doesn't sound that cool. In my mock simulations I was able to get him a round or two later so again, reach. Never seen him play but I watched his highlights. I'm so meh about this pick. Baron Browning was the Ohio State LBer I wanted. Scott Shanle reincarnated.

3. Paulson Adebo, A. We needed a Corner and he plays Corner so that was a good fit. His name is pretty good and draft experts thought it was a good pick. Some draft sites say he's good and I spent literally minutes analyzing his highlights. I love this pick.

4. Ian Book, F and a half. Big time production? Don't care. What are the Saints supposed to do with a 6 foot QB with an average arm? Honestly I can't even with this pick. Mel Kiper had way better prospects remaining.

6. Landon Young, B+. Coming into the draft I'd never heard of him but other people seem to think it's a good pick and so do I. The Saints know what they're doing when it comes to the O line.

7. Kawaan Baker, F-. There were still so many name players left on the board but instead they reached for some guy that nobody has even heard of. Thank god we were able to get Trill Williams as a UDFA. I'm just going to pretend like we drafted Trill in the 7th and picked this guy up as a UDFA. Poor man's TQS.
 
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Yeah...at this point I'm not sure what we are arguing. LOL. I agree with everything you're saying. I think that people's frustration with a letter grade is silly. Let people give their letter grade...it doesn't matter, but who cares.
It doesn't matter at all and it's just another thing to talk about. I just think it's hilarious when people give a pick like a C- or, D+, or B-. Any grade that has a +/- attached to it always makes me chuckle.

Personally I either like a pick or I don't. But some people really break it down and hand out arbitrary but specific letter grades. Imagine you're a scout and you just spent hours on end breaking down prospects. The draft comes and the team takes a few of your guys. Then you see online where Saint_Bubba has given your pick a D+.
 

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Yeah...at this point I'm not sure what we are arguing. LOL. I agree with everything you're saying. I think that people's frustration with a letter grade is silly. Let people give their letter grade...it doesn't matter, but who cares.
We aren't arguing, because we have some mutual ground.

I don't think its necessarily the letter grades that most take issue with. In some cases, its the idea that some of those giving out grades come across as though they think they know more than others, and if you openly disagree with them, you get demeaned. Again, thats not every case. The member we previously quote does not fall into this scenario, I don't believe. Personally, I like the approach @ELLIASJWILLIAMS takes. Yes, he gives an opinion that I don't necessarily agree with. But he presents it in an "open-minded" way.
 

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Nice. Lol.
Sadly I tend to agree with the assessments, even tho it’s meant as parody. This was the most underwhelming draft we’ve had in quite awhile, imo. I would love to be wrong and eat a whole lot of crow in a couple of seasons.
 

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Why have a forum at all?
So much this.
Amazes me even after all these years on SR how folks are chastised (by some) for having their own opinion, and for having the sheer audacity to then post about their thoughts…on a football forum, that’s about their favorite football team. How dare they do that. 😂
 
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We aren't arguing, because we have some mutual ground.

I don't think its necessarily the letter grades that most take issue with. In some cases, its the idea that some of those giving out grades come across as though they think they know more than others, and if you openly disagree with them, you get demeaned. Again, thats not every case. The member we previously quote does not fall into this scenario, I don't believe. Personally, I like the approach @ELLIASJWILLIAMS takes. Yes, he gives an opinion that I don't necessarily agree with. But he presents it in an "open-minded" way.
This. This, exactly. I can talk draft all day long because I love it. I just don't like it when people get all uppity about it and start calling people names or making fun of them for liking/disliking a pick. There's no need for all that. You don't have to belittle people or anything. This isn't Tiger Droppings. Just have fun with it.

Your self worth isn't dependent on how much you know about the draft. Nobody thinks less of you when you're wrong. Nobody really gives a rip when you're right. But people will absolutely feel some type of way when you're obnoxious about it. Kinda takes the fun out of it when you risk getting into a steel cage match by posting your opinion.

I'm sure we have a lot of lurkers who would love to talk about the draft but are afraid of entering the octagon. I mean wow, it's become a blood sport up in here.
 
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This. This, exactly. I can talk draft all day long because I love it. I just don't like it when people get all uppity about it and start calling people names or making fun of them for liking/disliking a pick. There's no need for all that. You don't have to belittle people or anything. This isn't Tiger Droppings. Just have fun with it.

Your self worth isn't dependent on how much you know about the draft. Nobody thinks less of you when you're wrong. Nobody really gives a rip when you're right. But people will absolutely feel some type of way when you're obnoxious about it. Kinda takes the fun out of it when you risk getting into a steel cage match by posting your opinion.

I'm sure we have a lot of lurkers who would love to talk about the draft but are afraid of entering the octagon. I mean wow, it's become a blood sport up in here.
Good post and points. The internet brings out the worst in people, and some are eaten up with ‘the worst’ lol.
 

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It's not. But you just proved my point that you cant critique SP without people getting in their feelings . The last 4 drafts have been underwhelming and if you're disagreeing because of some allegiance to Sean Payton then that's sad. Only hits have been McCoy, Trequan (somewhat) and CJ. Was Davenport worth giving up 2 firsts for? Jury still out on Ruiz and history shows they can't develop LBs. Also, Sean Payton is just as involved in the draft process as Ireland and I'm fairly certain he has final say on draft picks. But whatever. Be fine with just winning the NFC South.

Don't know on Davenport yet, if he is healthy the next 2 years I think folks will be surprised the impact he makes. I wouldn't just write off Baun either, he is a 2nd year player. Folks want immediate results from young players, it doesn't always work that way.

I'm sure SP has input into who we draft but I think it is fairly obvious that Ireland has taken over, I mean we are no longer trading up in the 1st for small one dimensional WR's, right?
 

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This thread has shown me that many people don't actually read the op. I guess they see the title and immediately comment without reading anything. There's just no way you read this thing and think it's serious. I mean come on, I said that I had spent literally minutes analyzing Paulson Adebo's highlight tape.

I bet I could do a Saints Draft Grade version 2 and people would still wouldn't get it lol.
You're surprised by the confusion? When you are parodying over-the-top reactions it's hard to be even more over-the-top.

Good stuff, Mr. Drago.
 
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1. Tuner’s film is ugly. I don’t care how you spin it. Marcus Davenport from college is ten times better. But I still trust Ireland!
2. Werner is definitely white lamo. His measurables are amazing but you don’t see it on film
3. Adebo - his film is insane. So good, reminds me of Richard Sherman NFL tape. How he’s ranked 76 on all the draft boards is odd.
4. Ian book - this is a joke! I didn’t like him at ND. Thought he held them back.
5. YOUNG - might be my favorite Saints pick. Watch his film. He Destroys his opponents. It’s like watching Carl Nicks. Though it is very odd on Rivals that he signed with KU 2013. Is that a typo???
6. Baker - his film looks real good. Guy was supposed to go to Miami but his grades stunk. I like this pick especially since we got Carl Johnson to coach him.
 

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Don't know on Davenport yet, if he is healthy the next 2 years I think folks will be surprised the impact he makes. I wouldn't just write off Baun either, he is a 2nd year player. Folks want immediate results from young players, it doesn't always work that way.

I'm sure SP has input into who we draft but I think it is fairly obvious that Ireland has taken over, I mean we are no longer trading up in the 1st for small one dimensional WR's, right?
Davenport is meh so far. I don't think he's trash like some fans do but I also don't think he's shown the potential to live up to his draft billing. I wasn't high on Baun so my expectations were low for him from the jump. But the Saints traditionally dont draft good LBs under SP's tenure. It is what is is.

5/7 of 2018 picks didn't make the team or had a minimal impact. As well as 3/5 from 2019. We traded up for a "small dimensional WR" once. And he was pretty good. Better than anything we've had since (besides MT). I know you get called a "fake fan" on here if you negatively critique anything the Saints FO and SP does, but I give props for the good and give criticism where it's due *shrugs*
 

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Davenport is meh so far. I don't think he's trash like some fans do but I also don't think he's shown the potential to live up to his draft billing. I wasn't high on Baun so my expectations were low for him from the jump. But the Saints traditionally dont draft good LBs under SP's tenure. It is what is is.

5/7 of 2018 picks didn't make the team or had a minimal impact. As well as 3/5 from 2019. We traded up for a "small dimensional WR" once. And he was pretty good. Better than anything we've had since (besides MT). I know you get called a "fake fan" on here if you negatively critique anything the Saints FO and SP does, but I give props for the good and give criticism where it's due *shrugs*

I think MD has shown the potential, we will see what happens the next 2 years, hopefully he can be healthy. I agree on the LB's, Anzalone had some potential but also had a fairly extensive history of injuries in college, so he was a long shot to be a long term solution, and he is probably the best we've drafted in a while.

I think the reason why so few have made it from 2018 and 19 is because we already had a loaded roster. Which is also why we traded up so much in 2019, 6-7 round picks weren't likely to make the team.

I mean Brandon Cooks has had some success but small, mostly one-dimensional WR's are not in huge demand, there is a reason he has played for 4 teams in his 7 years.

My point is with Ireland doing his thing our drafts have been more impactful, which is one of the reasons we have a strong roster to begin with....SP was terrible at evaluating personnel, credit to him and the Saints, they realized it was a problem, they hired Ireland, then allowed Ireland to acquire his own scouting staff in 2016....The 2016 and 17 drafts were 2 of the best in Saints history.....
 
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I think MD has shown the potential, we will see what happens the next 2 years, hopefully he can be healthy. I agree on the LB's, Anzalone had some potential but also had a fairly extensive history of injuries in college, so he was a long shot to be a long term solution, and he is probably the best we've drafted in a while.

I think the reason why so few have made it from 2018 and 19 is because we already had a loaded roster. Which is also why we traded up so much in 2019, 6-7 round picks weren't likely to make the team.

I mean Brandon Cooks has had some success but small, mostly one-dimensional WR's are not in huge demand, there is a reason he has played for 4 teams in his 7 years.

My point is with Ireland doing his thing our drafts have been more impactful, which is one of the reasons we have a strong roster to begin with....SP was terrible at evaluating personnel, credit to him and the Saints, they realized it was a problem, they hired Ireland, then allowed Ireland to acquire his own scouting staff in 2016....The 2016 and 17 drafts were 2 of the best in Saints history.....
Whether it was SP giving up control or Ryan Pace leaving or Ireland coming in, whatever it was I'm glad it happened. Ireland comes aboard and in a short period of time the roster is loaded with talent. So much talent that it's become impossible to keep it all.

I have no choice but to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft.
 

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Whether it was SP giving up control or Ryan Pace leaving or Ireland coming in, whatever it was I'm glad it happened. Ireland comes aboard and in a short period of time the roster is loaded with talent. So much talent that it's become impossible to keep it all.

I have no choice but to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft.

I think the fact that Ireland was given the power to hire his own scout staff is a pretty good "clue" about who really makes the personnel decisions.

And I agree with all the rest....
 

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I mean come on, I said that I had spent literally minutes analyzing Paulson Adebo's highlight tape.
Only slightly more ridiculous than "film study" claims by posters expecting themselves to be taken seriously.
 

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1. Payton Turner, D+. I saw his name on the draft simulations I did on the PFF draft simulator. I even took him a few times but it was in the 3rd or 4th round so obviously this was a reach. He might be awesome but that doesn't matter because I didn't have him going in the 1st round.

2. Peter Werner, C-. He's a LBer so that's a good thing but he's white and his name doesn't sound that cool. In my mock simulations I was able to get him a round or two later so again, reach. Never seen him play but I watched his highlights. I'm so meh about this pick. Baron Browning was the Ohio State LBer I wanted. Scott Shanle reincarnated.

3. Paulson Adebo, A. We needed a Corner and he plays Corner so that was a good fit. His name is pretty good and draft experts thought it was a good pick. Some draft sites say he's good and I spent literally minutes analyzing his highlights. I love this pick.

4. Ian Book, F and a half. Big time production? Don't care. What are the Saints supposed to do with a 6 foot QB with an average arm? Honestly I can't even with this pick. Mel Kiper had way better prospects remaining.

6. Landon Young, B+. Coming into the draft I'd never heard of him but other people seem to think it's a good pick and so do I. The Saints know what they're doing when it comes to the O line.

7. Kawaan Baker, F-. There were still so many name players left on the board but instead they reached for some guy that nobody has even heard of. Thank god we were able to get Trill Williams as a UDFA. I'm just going to pretend like we drafted Trill in the 7th and picked this guy up as a UDFA. Poor man's TQS.
Remind me to let St. Drago win an argument about a wrs' weight next time. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm glad that he isn't a poster who holds a grudge over something petty.😂
 

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