Saints Saints Re-sign Andrus Peat/5 year $57.5M ($33M Guaranteed) (1 Viewer)

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Well two things there, for me.

1. After their rookie deal ends, it doesn't matter one iota where someone was drafted. Their pay is based on production and talent, not their draft position.

2. The fact is that when a highly drafted player falls out of favour with fans, their ire and aggressive criticism often becomes disproportionate *because* of where they were drafted. I understand the psychology of this, I think - we spend (too much) time focusing in on high round prospects our favourite team might choose, then they choose one that we place on an unattainable pedestal of expectation. When they don't reach that, the lash back is, as a collective whole, excessive.
I can relate to that. Well stated.
To your first point, I agree that it matters not after their rookie deal...
That is part of what frustrates me with the deal he got. His production does not equal his pay. By a large margin. IMO only and I’m admittedly no expert. Now it seems that all of the contracts going out are terrible so I think it’s just me getting too old. If that’s the rate that’s the rate. I just miss Carl and Jahri.
I agree wholeheartedly with your second point.
 

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Many 1st rounders are outright flops...so Andrus Peat isn't a bust. I don't think that he's worth the contract he just got. I think that he's an average and replaceable OG...he's essentially Max Unger...a guy who left and was able to be replaced quickly. If we would have polled SSF whether they thought Andrus Peat would be resigned. I'm pretty sure that the "Yes" answer would have hovered around 10-25%. I thought that there would be a team out there that would be stupid enough to sign him to a big contract looking at his accolades. Well...he did find a buyer...unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't hurt our ability to sign prized free agents over the next 3-5 seasons.
Definitely not a bust imo either. As you stated, absolutely average. Milquetoast.
 

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Many 1st rounders are outright flops...so Andrus Peat isn't a bust. I don't think that he's worth the contract he just got. I think that he's an average and replaceable OG...he's essentially Max Unger...a guy who left and was able to be replaced quickly. If we would have polled SSF whether they thought Andrus Peat would be resigned. I'm pretty sure that the "Yes" answer would have hovered around 10-25%. I thought that there would be a team out there that would be stupid enough to sign him to a big contract looking at his accolades. Well...he did find a buyer...unfortunately. Hopefully it doesn't hurt our ability to sign prized free agents over the next 3-5 seasons.
I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.
 
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I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing still to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.
Agreed on Max. I thought he was an above average center who was very cerebral and had us aligned properly more often than not. I liked him a lot.
 

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I think you're selling Unger a little short there. He was a very good player who became injured and unable to keep playing in the NFL. We did well to replace him and to be fair, we may not have done so yet, as McCoy still has some growing still to do.

In terms of contract value, as Hump said, it's market value, not what we think is fair. The fair price is always what someone is willing to pay.
Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.
 

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Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.
I'll have to watch the tape to see that last part, as I haven't noticed it before.
 

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Unger wasn’t “very good” on the Saints. Maybe he was on the Seahawks. He was serviceable and steady. Essentially he was Jon Goodwin before he left the Saints. He didn’t move people.
I think he was above average both physically and with making the line calls, until his last season.
And I think most here would say I’m the exact opposite of a sunshine pumper and may be too hard on most players. Lol
 

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I think he was above average both physically and with making the line calls, until his last season.
And I think most here would say I’m the exact opposite of a sunshine pumper and may be too hard on most players. Lol
I mean...I'm not saying that he was bad. He just didn't move people. He wasn't shut down in pass defense. I'd say that he was an average center the significant majority of the time as a Saints player. Peat has had more highs and lows...and I think that that would probably make him an average OG. But I think you have to include injury risk...and the combination of his inconsistencies and injuries are why I wouldn't have given him that contract. I think that the significant majority of Saints fans would agree.
 

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I mean...I'm not saying that he was bad. He just didn't move people. He wasn't shut down in pass defense. I'd say that he was an average center the significant majority of the time as a Saints player. Peat has had more highs and lows...and I think that that would probably make him an average OG. But I think you have to include injury risk...and the combination of his inconsistencies and injuries are why I wouldn't have given him that contract. I think that the significant majority of Saints fans would agree.
People keep talking about his injury risk. He broke a bone last year and that was the only time he missed any significant time since his rookie year. Every other year he played at least 15 games. I mean, it's a pretty violent sport and big guys fall hard. I'd say he's been pretty damn healthy, all things considered.
 

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I mean...I'm not saying that he was bad. He just didn't move people. He wasn't shut down in pass defense. I'd say that he was an average center the significant majority of the time as a Saints player. Peat has had more highs and lows...and I think that that would probably make him an average OG. But I think you have to include injury risk...and the combination of his inconsistencies and injuries are why I wouldn't have given him that contract. I think that the significant majority of Saints fans would agree.
The significant majority of turkeys wouldn't vote for Christmas, and we're still keeping Christmas. I'm just sayin' ?
 

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People keep talking about his injury risk. He broke a bone last year and that was the only time he missed any significant time since his rookie year. Every other year he played at least 15 games. I mean, it's a pretty violent sport and big guys fall hard. I'd say he's been pretty damn healthy, all things considered.
Just quit. I know you watch Saints football...you know that your argument is completely off-base and yet you insist on wasting both of our time. Andrus Peat...is either hurt or playing hurt consistently. The guy is ALWAYS hurt. It seems like every other game you see a large pear shaped man waddle off the field to the trainers.
 

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While I understand it is not the fault of the player, I think it’s perfectly reasonable and relevant to judge said player against their draft position.
It’s the same reason we sing the praises of high quality UDFA’s.

Having said that I still wouldn’t think that he was a good guard even if he was taken in the 2nd instead of at 13.

Perhaps I’m just spoiled by having seen Nicks and Evans.
Seriously... how many guards have we gone through since Nicks and Evans? A lot of them.

How many were close to that level? None.

How many elite or potentially elite OL have we had since then?
Two... Three if McCoy continues his trajectory.

Is Peat mediocre? No, I don't think so. I think he's above average as far as guards go.
He is a mediocre left tackle though and that's worth something.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best... how would you rank Peat, Warford, and Easton?
My take would be Peat = 7 Warford = 5 Easton = 4
 

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Lets wait until the actual terms of the deal are released. Guarranteed doesn't mean fully on initial reports. Often much of it is only guaranteed for injury NOT fully. You also have to see where there majority of the salary is. This could easily be a deal that Loomis could back out of after 2 years and gain significant cap space.
 

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Seriously... how many guards have we gone through since Nicks and Evans? A lot of them.

How many were close to that level? None.

How many elite or potentially elite OL have we had since then?
Two... Three if McCoy continues his trajectory.

Is Peat mediocre? No, I don't think so. I think he's above average as far as guards go.
He is a mediocre left tackle though and that's worth something.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the best... how would you rank Peat, Warford, and Easton?
My take would be Peat = 7 Warford = 5 Easton = 4
That was a good read.
Hmm...for me:
Nicks:10
Evans:10
Peat: 5.75
Easton:5
Wardaddy:6.5
I’d have put Easton in at Lg let Andrus walk and drafted someone like Logan from Kentucky.
And yes to all I’m just a couch fan using only my eyes, that do happen to be failing. ?

To me, Peat is as soft as butter. Mentally. Carl and Jahri were mean. Peat seems like a great human being. Like he should be in the clergy or health insurance lol.
I believe you need nasty on your team and to me he epitomizes Mr. Congeniality.
 

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That was a good read.
Hmm...for me:
Nicks:10
Evans:10
Peat: 5.75
Easton:5
Wardaddy:6.5
I’d have put Easton in at Lg let Andrus walk and drafted someone like Logan from Kentucky.
And yes to all I’m just a couch fan using only my eyes, that do happen to be failing. ?
Word from inside is that our coaches were down on one of our guard's performance... Warford's.

At this point though, our opinions are pretty much pointless. Peat is signed for 5 years.
So regardless how any of us feel, he's a Saint and not only that, he's one of our core players going forward.

My thinking says we should really get behind him and hope for healthy and improvement for him and Wardaddy.
A couple of years ago, Peat was looking great. That was also his healthiest stretch. Also a couple of years ago,
we were all excited with the beast guard we signed in free agency. Both have the potential to be really really good.
If they both reach that potential this year, then we will have one hell of an OL. Our RBs will have gaping tunnels to
run through and Drew can sit back, pick defenses apart, and read a book or nit a sweater in the pocket.
 

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The more time I've had to think about it the better I feel about the move. Continuity is vert important. When this O Line has been healthy they've been really good. So they probably overpaid for an average Guard and above average backup LT, they've made worse moves. I think initially I underestimated how important Peat's ability to step in at LT has been. Especially when you consider how injury prone our LT is.

Peat is only 26 years old and his best football is ahead of him. I think that's what the FO is banking on. This is the first time I can remember feeling some type of way about bringing back a 2x Pro Bowler in his prime.
 

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