Saints to hire Bo Davis as defensive line coach (159 Viewers)

[Saint Jack]

I wonder if more college coaches are considering moving to the NFL because of NIL. Especially guys like Bo Davis who are recruiters. Recruiting no longer so much about creating relationships with kids and mentoring them. It's about how much NIL money they want and how much you can get them. If you're a coach who liked building relationships with players, it might not be as attractive a job as it once was. Not to mention the portal where guys just constantly move.

At this point there isn't as much difference between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL.

There is something I’ve noticed.
Pre 2000, you had a lot of coaches that have had multiple 15-25 year stays.
And I’m not just talking about the big programs. Even the smaller ones had coaches with that kind of tenure.
I don’t see that anymore. Except for one or two coaches, most tap out after seven years or so.
Post 2000, colleges are more willing to fire coaches on the spot.

 

[Rexman100]

Underhill has been saying that the Saints liked some LSU coaches since Moore was hired so this has likely been in the works for quite awhile. They probably had to wait until they hired Staley before they could complete anything.

As far as why they are hiring college guys, I think it's a realization that they are about to get really young on defense and they will need coaches used to developing young players. Some of it is likely a lack of options for the better NFL position coaches, but I also think it really is an intentional effort to get better teachers and guys that can develop talent. Looking back at this team and the guys who went on to star for other teams or guys that just never developed here over the last 5 or so years, it looks like the team had gotten away from or just wasn't very good at developing the young talent they had acquired. So, maybe it's been about lack of ability to develop guys as much more than bad drafting?

What you say is optimistic. But logically, you hire a first time head coach, do you really want most of your coaching staff to also be first timers? Lots of first timers.. seems the supply may have run out a little. I do like your take though, and it does make sense.

 

[LiterOCola]

SR: Why aren't the Saints getting more people from LSU?

Also SR: Nooooo, not like that!

 

[Rexman100]

Same here.

…..but am I greedy for wanting another Saints Super Bowl? One is great.

But TWO would be better.

I’m with you on that. More is always better than less!

 

[Saint Jack]

I see no correlation in those two things. I see only happy Louisiana fans. My brother for example said he’s good for life when it comes to La sports. He got to see LSU go undefeated and win a Natty, literally the best college football team in the history of mankind. (Look how many top ten teams LSU smoked that year). And he got to see the Saints win a Super Bowl! There’s no overshadowing, just good fortune in a decade time frame.

I’m mainly speaking from my experience from the LSU only side of my family that think that everyone and everything should serve the Tigers. Even the pro team.
And it’s not even ten in the morning and I know they’re already screaming about Davis going to the Saints.

 

[Rexman100]

Most of those "SEC Type D" concepts came from Fangio originally and he mentored Staley. So I don't so much think it's that they want these coaches to bring that with them as these coaches have experience in Fangio type schemes.

Saban also has a place in this conversation

 

[Rexman100]

I’m mainly speaking from my experience from the LSU only side of my family that think that everyone and everything should serve the Tigers. Even the pro team.
And it’s not even ten in the morning and I know they’re already screaming about Davis going to the Saints.

Yea, there are those people too. I don’t blame them, this year is setting up for a playoff run, this year’s LsU team. So the timing sucks. Just saying

 

[Saint Greg]

Can someone check on @SonOfNOLA ? This is concerning.

 

[Taker597]

Yea, there are those people too. I don’t blame them, this year is setting up for a playoff run, this year’s LsU team. So the timing sucks. Just saying

I will say... Between Kevin Peoples(Edge coach) and Bo Davis(Dline coach). Losing Davis is the best outcome and we'll be fine. He always been chasing bigger paycheck with no loyalty. It was always a matter of "When" not "IF".

Kevin Peoples is special and only continue to rise as a Dline/Pass Rusher coach. So, if you're going to lose a coach... Davis we can manage. We'll feel it, but People's ability to develop pass rushers is what win you games.

 

[St. Widge]

What you say is optimistic. But logically, you hire a first time head coach, do you really want most of your coaching staff to also be first timers? Lots of first timers.. seems the supply may have run out a little. I do like your take though, and it does make sense.

I mean they do have experienced NFL guys like Nuss and Staley to work with Moore. And some of the position coaches are long time NFL assistants. Although mostly on the offensive side of the ball. And I think the fact that the trend with the defensive position coaches are college coaches where as the offensive position coaches are guys with NFL experience makes sense in light of the fact that the offense is not really old but the defense is very old and will need to add a lot of very young talent very soon.

But, yes, I do think there is a mindset that you hire the smartest, most innovative guys that are the best at developing talent to coach your team. It's the reason you hire a guy like Moore in the first place instead of a very experienced coach like McCarthy. The differences between the NFL and college are getting much less significant theses days and the things that are different don't really fall on the position coaches. Those are more issues for Moore and the coordinators all of which are very experienced in the NFL. Moore and Nuss not only have coached in the NFL but have also recently for Moore, played in the NFL.

 

[Mojomajik9]

There is something I’ve noticed.
Pre 2000, you had a lot of coaches that have had multiple 15-25 year stays.
And I’m not just talking about the big programs. Even the smaller ones had coaches with that kind of tenure.
I don’t see that anymore. Except for one or two coaches, most tap out after seven years or so.
Post 2000, colleges are more willing to fire coaches on the spot.

I feel there’s an argument to be made that programs no longer exist. A top recruit doesn’t leave HS and sit for 1-2 years and learn. He either plays or jumps to another team that will pay him more/increase his playing time to boost his draft stock. It’s not about long term building a team and culture and teaching young guys the finer points of the game. It’s just constant churning. I wonder how that impacts their readiness for the NFL? Maybe that’s why we’re getting college coaches who can connect with young guys and teach the game

 

[BreesusSaves]

I wonder if more college coaches are considering moving to the NFL because of NIL. Especially guys like Bo Davis who are recruiters. Recruiting no longer so much about creating relationships with kids and mentoring them. It's about how much NIL money they want and how much you can get them. If you're a coach who liked building relationships with players, it might not be as attractive a job as it once was. Not to mention the portal where guys just constantly move.

At this point there isn't as much difference between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL.

College football recruiting right now is literally just a worse version of NFL Free Agency because there are no actual rules to keep the kids at the same school so basically every negotiation is for a one year contract.

Easy to see why "the old guard" of college coaches would want to go to the NFL if given the opportunity.

 

[Rouxble]

And that’s another defensive coach coming from a team that bases out of an even front.

 

[Rexman100]

I mean they do have experienced NFL guys like Nuss and Staley to work with Moore. And some of the position coaches are long time NFL assistants. Although mostly on the offensive side of the ball. And I think the fact that the trend with the defensive position coaches are college coaches where as the offensive position coaches are guys with NFL experience makes sense in light of the fact that the offense is not really old but the defense is very old and will need to add a lot of very young talent very soon.

But, yes, I do think there is a mindset that you hire the smartest, most innovative guys that are the best at developing talent to coach your team. It's the reason you hire a guy like Moore in the first place instead of a very experienced coach like McCarthy. The differences between the NFL and college are getting much less significant theses days and the things that are different don't really fall on the position coaches. Those are more issues for Moore and the coordinators all of which are very experienced in the NFL. Moore and Nuss not only have coached in the NFL but have also recently for Moore, played in the NFL.

Yea, good point especially about the defense, being older, needing a youth infusion. Your second point is logical speculation as for the reason they hires KM over Mm.

Some may not like what I’m about to say, but it’s like an earworm that won’t go away.

I think they chose Kellen Moore because he is willing to abide by the “new deal”. The new Saints power structure. Gone are the days of the John Wayne head coach, the coach that makes all of the decisions and lives and dies behind them. Today’s Saints are run by committee. Jeff Ireland said what appealed to him about Kellen Moore is that KM views the head coaching job as a “collaborative” effort. (All of these young coaches will fall in line under the new deal). Ireland went on to say that it’s his job to oversee and maintain the culture of the locker room. (I thought that was the HC’s job). Ireland went on to say, basically, “we’ll run everything, and let the new kid, KM, run the scheme”. Is that why we hired KM? Because he’s young and dumb and he’ll abide by the new deal? I believe so, and I believe also this is the reason why Mike McCarthy wasn’t hired. Mike would’nt have liked the “new deal”. This isn’t a rant about Ireland or ML, no need to reply with ML hate, it’s more about this new structure. I just like the old style, where the coach has the power. In ML most recent interview, he’s talking specifically about player attributes, which to me sounds as odd as my wife walking into the room talking to me about which color spinner bait I’m to use this weekend in the bass tourney and why. Since when did Mickey become a talent evaluator ? IMO, the structure is the issue with this team, it has faulty I-BEAM’s and hairline cracks in the welds. I do not trust a $ GM to make football decisions. You don’t hire a roofer fix your AC. I say again, this isn’t a rant against ML. Why would ML ever hire a coach, that will supplant him (like another Sean Payton) and make him his lesser? He learned that lesson and wouldn’t do it again, and that’s why it isn’t his fault.

 

[St. Widge]

Saban also has a place in this conversation

That's true and I almost put it in my post. What Saban did in the D backfield was similar to the pattern matching that Staley got from Fangio. I'm not sure who really developed it first. Which is why I have a lot of hope that Kool-Aid will flourish in the new scheme.