Scary Info on Why the Season May Not Take Place - from a Claimed Insider (14 Viewers)

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For the sake of board sanity, I am going to say that I got this info from "Coach" Guido. Here's what Guido told me today of behind the scenes discussions between players and their players' union, and between the players union and the NFL/owners.

"The chance of having a full season is getting more remote and I will get to the biggest reasons last.

1) The recent trend of the virus in quickly spreading to young people, many completely healthy, is scaring the players and their families and their coaches
2) Recent scientific discoveries that the virus, even in healthy people who get the virus, causes long-term harm to organs is compounding players' fear. No one knows the extent of this damage, but now that it's known to spread among healthy young people and create potentially serious long-term health damage to the players has the players becoming quite uptight
3) (Here's where it gets really interesting). With all the attention on racial discrimination, the NFL is very sensitive to anything that would make the NFL appear insensitive to racial injustice, especially when over 70% of the players are men of color
4) Where this comes into play is that nearly 1 in 5 black people suffer from sickle-cell anemia. This is a genetic serious illness. If players with sickle cell contract the virus, they are at serious risk of serious injury if not even death. The NFL is frightened that some top black players with sickle-cell will get the virus and get sick. Then the NFL fears they will have a public relations nightmare on their hands with the extreme attention on racial injustice.
5) Yes, Latinos cause a lot of diabetes by our eating habits, however, Latinos are born with one of the highest racial percentages of Type 2 diabetes. Like sickle-cell anemia, diabetes is a serious underlying health condition. And once again, like black athletes with sickle cell, Latinos risk of serious long-term illness and death is high
6) These are active conservations going on behind the scenes about insurance. Lloyds is the biggest insurer of professional athletes. The players are all trying to get higher insurance levels, as well as the teams. Lloyds has jacked the price of this type insurance through the roof making it less or nearly unaffordable to many of the lower-paid players and really expensive for the teams
7) Many coaches are very worried about the conditioning of their players showing up for camp. They know that the great majority of players will not show up in the condition desired to begin training camp and coaches are really afraid for the scale and severity of injuries if they play this season
8) Teams are running multiple scenarios of fielding teams based on various levels of virus outbreaks on their teams. With the NFL Coronovirus rules in place, there are multiple scenarios where a team may not have the players or may simply choose to forfeit for lack of quality starters and backups. Behind the scenes, a couple of coaches said it could be like playing with scab players during strikes or lockouts. And they worry about their top players who have heavy incentive-based contracts who get the virus. It's not a performance issue, yet it would dramatically impact those players' total compensation if they get the virus. Coaches are worried about this and the impact of top players attitudes impacting team chemistry.
Now, this is my personal opinion. When I just think of being HC for a college-level team today, as HC, I would be terrified for my players and coaches. If I had a vote and was still an HC, I would vote against playing college ball this year. And I can tell you for a fact that many pro coaches have the same fears for their players as well as coaches for themselves and their families.

But the NFL is about huge money as we all know and they want to make more. And the players like their money also. So they may very well start the season. But as soon as one or more teams cannot field a quality product because of the lack of players, the season could get canceled after some games are played. Likely, the owners would use the term "Suspend," hoping a cure is found.
Guido was wearing a saints workout T today. He said that if the season gets canceled, we may have sadly seen Brees last season. My Austin sources were telling me that Brees was leaning pretty heavy towards retiring after last season.

Let's hope this does not play-out as Coach Guido fears from his sources and experience. And No, Guido did not coach the Mad Magazine coed softball team - lol




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i dont understand putting 100% of the population under lock down when only about 5-10% of the population are susceptible to the worse case scenario. it should be handled like a bad flu season..
with your 5-10% scenario, please go bring all of your older and immunodeficiency or compromised love ones and friends to a COVID party and play the odds. No body cares about the 5-10% until they themselves or a loved one are in that 5-10%.

Elderly and immune suppressed people are only as protected as the dumbest other person that is around them.

do we need a lockdown, I don’t think so, but we do need masks and common sense. Oh, and caring about someone besides ourselves.
 

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the point is most people dont get any symptoms, if they wouldn't have forced people in the retirement homes ( 40% of all deaths) it would have been a far lower percent, along with them putting presumed cases as cause of death, without listing the co-mobidities. in other words people were dying with it, not bc of it. thats 2/3 of all deaths right there..

i dont understand putting 100% of the population under lock down when only about 5-10% of the population are susceptible to the worse case scenario. it should be handled like a bad flu season..
A bad flu season? 130,000 deaths, man seriously this sounds like it some twisted capitalist logic. If 5-10% of the population dies, it's cool let's make money. All the countries that have successfully flattened the curve shut down for a period of time. S. Korea and Germany have been among the best, we just have the most incompetent leadership.
 

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Let’s wait and see if and how the MLS, MLB and NBA seasons execute.
I personally don’t see any sports being played this fall based on how the statistics are today.
The wild-card with all of this is if they develop a therapeutic in the next couple of months, which is a good possibility.
Most likely we will have a shortened season starting in October. Just my .02.
 
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Living in Texas, it's something we read about all the time. But I thought that type diabetes was all behavioral-based = totally wrong again - lol!

After the education I got this morning, I kinda realized how freakin complex and detailed this decision to have a season is and even for the players to decided to play or not.
You read that Latinos cause diabetes? Where do you read these things?
 

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I don't get the point your making. Sweden didn't close but they have a 40% higher mortality rate than the US.
source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
There is a reasonable chance to believe that Sweden has endured potentially 20 times the number of cases actually being reported.

We did a study recently showing that here in the US we have potentially 10 fold the numbers of cases being reported. I think it's higher than that number, possibly 15-20 fold.

But let's go with 10 fold as a conservative low end number.

The death rate based on cases actually reported is 4.4%. If that was the end of the story, that would be a scary high number.

Using a 10 fold increase of probable people having been infected reduces the death rate to 0.44%.

It is widely reported that 40% of all deaths have been elderly in nursing homes. I would make the assertion that another 40% of deaths have been people over 65 (not in nursing homes) and people with underlying conditions (eg, diabetes).

Removing the most vulnerable out of the equation,, that would mean the death rate for otherwise younger and healthy people is somewhere in the neighborhood of 0.1%.

That's the typical death rate of the common flu.

I've been advocating for herd immunity for quite a while. Protect the vulnerable at all costs. The only issue is you have to do it at such a rate that you don't overwhelm the healthcare system.

I predict we'll have herd immunity in the US before we have a vaccine that works. We are at potentially 30-40 million people infected. We need to get to roughly 200 million. Still a ways to go. Current pace of reported infections over the last 7 days would take us another 10-12 months to get there. If we are actually at a 20 fold rate of infections rather than a 10 fold increase, then we will get there in about 5-6 months.
 
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There is a reasonable chance to believe that Sweden has endured potentially 20 times the number of cases actually being reported.

We did a study recently showing that here in the US we have potentially 10 fold the numbers of cases being reported. I think it's higher than that number, possibly 15-20 fold.

But let's go with 10 fold as a conservative low end number.

The death rate based on cases actually reported is 4.4%. If that was the end of the story, that would be a scary high number.

Using a 10 fold increase of probable people having been infected reduces the death rate to 0.44%.

It is widely reported that 40% of all deaths have been elderly in nursing homes. I would make the assertion that another 40% of deaths have been people over 65 (not in nursing homes) and people with underlying conditions (eg, diabetes).

Removing the most vulnerable out of the equation,, that would mean the death rate for otherwise younger and healthy people is somewhere in the neighborhood of 0.1%.

That's the typical death rate of the common flu.

I've been advocating for herd immunity for quite a while. Protect the vulnerable at all costs. The only issue is you have to do it at such a rate that you don't overwhelm the healthcare system.

I predict we'll have herd immunity in the US before we have a vaccine that works. We are at potentially 30-40 million people infected. We need to get to roughly 200 million. Still a ways to go. Current pace of reported infections over the last 7 days would take us another 10-12 months to get there. If we are actually at a 20 fold rate of infections rather than a 10 fold increase, then we will get there in about 5-6 months.
That sure is lot of mental gymnastics just to say "I don't care about old people and already sick people at all."

Herd immunity does not work. Sweden's strategy has backfired. Their numbers only look good because their country's population is less than the state of North Carolina.

Per capita, Sweden is having one of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks on the planet. Going further, their economy is not in any better position because of it.
 

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I think doctors need to look directly how the virus attack carbohydrates. I dont think its neccesarily based on diabetes.. etc.

I know a guy that has lung cancer and is 70 and only out for a week for it.

I seen a diabetic that is on a low carb based.. test positive and not even have an issue..

But I know someone that consumes large amount of carbs a day and well.. ain't so good.
 

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death rate is down ten weeks in a row from the peak. overall 92.4%. CDC admitted yesterday that covid is about to fall under their death rate threshold for pandemics...

by end of the month the pandemic label will be removed and it will basically be like the flu or swine flu from 2009. nothing was cancelled then, and that year 65 million people had it
Yep all sorts of accurate info here,LOL

 
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I mean even though the OP claims "inside info" that brees was really thinking about hanging it up, it's a very widely known fact he was. Its why they let him start the pro bowl, he had told a lot of people it was going to be his last game. He had a change of heart after but he was planning to retire at one point. If theres no season I say it's 50/50 he tries to play in 2021 (if we can even have a season then)
I would think that Brees would initially decide to call it quits if there's no season. But then 4-5 months down the road, I could see him itching to come back another year. It's one thing to retire, but prematurely and not on your own terms is another. It would be interesting. I agree, though, probably a 50/50 chance either way.
 

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That sure is lot of mental gymnastics just to say "I don't care about old people and already sick people at all."

Heard immunity does not work. Sweden's strategy has backfired. Their numbers only look good because their country's population is less than the state of North Carolina.

Per capita, Sweden is having one of the worst COVID-19 outbreaks on the planet. Going further, their economy is not in any better position because of it.
I don't think you understand anything about this based on what you just stated. In fact I'm sure of it.

Herd immunity, btw.
 
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Jasonsw and I are just sharing a little joke.

But you are the King of Comedy.
And UK, even when we disagree, you have an incredible, sarcastic, smart sense of humor. I've read some of your responses to some of my posts and asked myself, "Is he insulting me," the whole time I am lmao at your brilliant sense of humor. It's all good over here. Just be safe Brother. I'll betcha you would be a blast standing next to at a Saints game!
 

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