Article Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs (1 Viewer)

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When he was in, he certainly looked like he was giving his best.

Also, some of it IS scheme: in one of Baldy's Breakdowns, he noted that Davenport's job was basically to circle to the right side of the pocket and play contain, like, in Baldy's words, "Davenport, a good team player, comes over to the right and fills..."

Instant superstar? No, but he's a solid contributor on a very good defense. He'll get there.
 

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Great questions. I really appreciate the way you pout this.

Since Coach Pete head-coached High School and College, albeit Div IIA, many of the coaches in the Central Texas area coached under Pete. Pete has high integrity and bonds with others often quite deep. Bottom-line, most like and respect him. About a week before the draft, Coach Pete got called by a couple of the UTSA coaches to come observe a private workout with Marcus. Apparently, it went well. One of the teams interested in moving up and drafting Davenport, reached out to Pete for his opinions after the workout(s?). Pete won't tell me how deep his relationship was/is with Marcus, but he worked with Marcus on multiple occasions. Marcus stays in touch with a couple of his old UTSA coaches who call Pete occasionally for ideas to help Marcus with problems he runs into or development he needs. Pete has pretty deep personal feeling for Marcus. wanted to wring his neck for getting our of shape in the offseason, and truly cares about his development as a pro player and person. Pete will say nothing about the issue Marcus is dealing with right now out of respect for Marcus and the coaches who trusted him.
Thank you for putting that in context. I understand a bit better now.
 

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Sorry I just have to ask. And please don't tell me coach Peat. How do you know this? Not that I am doubting I am really curious. I certainly wish the young man to have success and to my eyes he has. But you seem to have information to this young man's emotional mind state. Just curious how is that possible and if you do why would you put it out on a message board? In my opinion you just made the skepticism worse if he doesn't play to expectations.
Very sorry for the confusion. I got the initial info about what was really going on with Marcus from a former Austin area coach. I didn't think and just posted it. Then I thought that Coach Pete might well know also and I may be able to get more details from him. When I contacted Pete, he was very aware of what was really going on with Marcus and said that he would not talk about it all. Pete's response made me think about my post and it hit me that my action was selfish and inconsiderate. So I pulled the post out of respect to Davenport and the coaches and players working with him. Again, sorry for the confusion.
 

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Hendrickson reminds me a LOT of Galette. In all the good ways, of course. Explosive first step, tenacious as all hell, but he's a little light in the arse and can get washed out in the run game.
Hen would make a good OLB in a pure 3-4 defense. Dav is more of a traditional DE used in the 4-3.

Not worried, both are at least fairly good in all situations.
 

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Great line in the the John LeCarre novel Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. George Smiley asks Toby Esterhase if he ever bought a fake painting. The reason: "The more you pay for something, the less inclined you are to doubt its authenticity."

My problem is less with the player than the organization. We should not have made the trade. And he should not have been picked 14th. Davenport has the measurables. But he didn't have the experience playing at a high level, or the record of production playing at a high level, or the skill set to justify what we gave up for him and where he was picked. The organization--surely Payton and the coaching staff--placed inflated emphasis on his size and athletic ability, and insufficient emphasis on his record of production, the low level of his player skills, and questionable instincts. The history of the draft is replete with numerous instances of players who were selected high in the first round because of their athleticism, but who failed in professional football because of lack of desire or lack of instincts.

If a really good team has a really good player, it finds a way to get the player on the field. Davenport's snap-count is flashing yellow light. It doesn't mean he is a bust or a bad player. But it means that given the price we paid, he thus far has been a disappointment. Players selected in the teens in the NFL draft are expected to be productive in their second year (if not these days their first season).
 
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Great line in the the John LeCarre novel Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. George Smiley asks Toby Esterhase if he ever bought a fake painting. The reason: "The more you pay for something, the less inclined you are to doubt its authenticity."

My problem is less with the player than the organization. We should not have made the trade. And he should not have been picked 14th. Davenport has the measurables. But he didn't have the experience playing at a high level, or the record of production playing at a high level, or the skill set to justify what we gave up for him and where he was picked. The organization--surely Payton and the coaching staff--placed inflated emphasis on his size and athletic ability, and insufficient emphasis on his record of production, the low level of his player skills, and questionable instincts. The history of the draft is replete with numerous instances of players who were selected high in the first round because of their athleticism, but who failed in professional football because of lack of desire or lack of instincts.

If a really good team has a really good player, it finds a way to get the player on the field. Davenport's snap-count is flashing yellow light. It doesn't mean he is a bust or a bad player. But it means that given the price we paid, he thus far has been a disappointment. Players selected in the teens in the NFL draft are expected to be productive in their second year (if not these days their first season).
So, does this still apply? I'd say he has been pretty productive of late.
 

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