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I am posting this article so I can make some comments.

Trustees project serious financial challenges for Social Security and Medicare

The article states that Medicare will run out of money in 2019, and Social Security in 2041. These are been stated many for many years. The sky has been falling as long as I have been employed. To keep Social Security solvent we have raised the tax rates and retirement eligibilty age a few times. Yet the problem continues to be around.

My concern here is not the viability of either program, and the actions that Congress will take to "attempt" to fix it. Rather I want to address some of the comments made by readers of the article.

It seems to me that young people are blaming the baby boomers for being greedy, part of the "I want it Now" generation, and are mortgaging the future of their grandchildren so they can get more social security.

What bothers me is that social security was started in the 1930s, with the first recipient receiving money in 1940. The program pre-dates the baby boomer generation. Throughout their working lives, baby boomers have been contributing to the program, with most never having received a penny to date. They have seen their rates rise and the age to maximize their entitlement go from 62 to 65, and then to 67.

Where is all this money going? Its not going to the baby boomers, in fact, its not going into retirement at all. Our elected officials have been using the social security fund as a cash cow since 1964. They have been using the money that was supposed to go into our retirement as part of the general fund, and they have not been repaying it. In 1992, the Clinton Administration passed the largest tax increase in the history of the country, with the promise that 10% of the increase would go towards repaying that which was borrowed. The account for that money was established, but no money has ever been placed into it. All the account has received is another IOU, accelerating the SS deficit.

If the money has been deposited properly, we would have more than enough to adequately fund the program ad infinitium. Instead, what we actually received was an effective tax increase of 8.5 percent. To make matters worse, instead of receiving a pre-tax benefit, Congress said that 15% of SSI is not taxable, but 85% is since we did not pay that into the program. Nevermind that they had our money for many years without paying interest, but we have effectively been giving an interest free loan to the government.

Raising the retirement age has had the effect of the government keeping that what was paid into the system staying with the government. How many people die between 62 to 65. How many more die before reaching 67? When people die before they begin receiving SSI, who get the money? If there is no spouse, and adult children, nobody but Uncle benefits. They won't even pay the pittance of $250 for burial expenses if there is no direct dependent survivor.

I submit to you, that the baby boomers are NOT the cause of the social security crisis, but rather our politicians who have not practiced fiscal responsibility in dealing with our retirement fund. Place the blame where it really belongs, those who are in a direct position to have managed the account, our Congress.
 
Get the oil companies and drug companies to chip in one years profit each, and the problem is solved.
 
Not saying that I know the answer, but there is a counterpoint.

What would you say to college students and young workers who are convinced they'll never see a dime of the money they put into Social Security?

You've been sold a scare story. Right now Social Security has a large and growing trust fund -- a surplus that has been collected to pay for the surge in benefits we'll experience when the baby boomers start to retire. If you're twenty now, you'll be hitting retirement around 2052. That's the year the Congressional Budget Office says the trust fund will run out. In fact, many economists say it may never run out. If the economy continues to grow at an average rate, the trust fund could quite possibly last forever.

But what happens if it doesn't?

Even if the trust fund does run out, Social Security will still be able to pay eighty percent of promised benefits. The actual shortfall would be a pretty small part of the federal budget, quite easily made up from other sources. Once the whole baby-boomer generation is into the retirement pool, Social Security's share of the gross domestic product will only increase by about two percent. Well, President Bush's tax cuts are more than two percent of GDP -- and they're happening right now, not fifty years from now. So the idea that there's this Social Security thing that is a huge problem is just wrong.
The Fake Crisis : Rolling Stone
 
I am posting this article so I can make some comments.

Trustees project serious financial challenges for Social Security and Medicare

The article states that Medicare will run out of money in 2019, and Social Security in 2041. These are been stated many for many years. The sky has been falling as long as I have been employed. To keep Social Security solvent we have raised the tax rates and retirement eligibilty age a few times. Yet the problem continues to be around.

My concern here is not the viability of either program, and the actions that Congress will take to "attempt" to fix it. Rather I want to address some of the comments made by readers of the article.

It seems to me that young people are blaming the baby boomers for being greedy, part of the "I want it Now" generation, and are mortgaging the future of their grandchildren so they can get more social security.

What bothers me is that social security was started in the 1930s, with the first recipient receiving money in 1940. The program pre-dates the baby boomer generation. Throughout their working lives, baby boomers have been contributing to the program, with most never having received a penny to date. They have seen their rates rise and the age to maximize their entitlement go from 62 to 65, and then to 67.

Where is all this money going? Its not going to the baby boomers, in fact, its not going into retirement at all. Our elected officials have been using the social security fund as a cash cow since 1964. They have been using the money that was supposed to go into our retirement as part of the general fund, and they have not been repaying it. In 1992, the Clinton Administration passed the largest tax increase in the history of the country, with the promise that 10% of the increase would go towards repaying that which was borrowed. The account for that money was established, but no money has ever been placed into it. All the account has received is another IOU, accelerating the SS deficit.

If the money has been deposited properly, we would have more than enough to adequately fund the program ad infinitium. Instead, what we actually received was an effective tax increase of 8.5 percent. To make matters worse, instead of receiving a pre-tax benefit, Congress said that 15% of SSI is not taxable, but 85% is since we did not pay that into the program. Nevermind that they had our money for many years without paying interest, but we have effectively been giving an interest free loan to the government.

Raising the retirement age has had the effect of the government keeping that what was paid into the system staying with the government. How many people die between 62 to 65. How many more die before reaching 67? When people die before they begin receiving SSI, who get the money? If there is no spouse, and adult children, nobody but Uncle benefits. They won't even pay the pittance of $250 for burial expenses if there is no direct dependent survivor.

I submit to you, that the baby boomers are NOT the cause of the social security crisis, but rather our politicians who have not practiced fiscal responsibility in dealing with our retirement fund. Place the blame where it really belongs, those who are in a direct position to have managed the account, our Congress.

While I agree with what you are saying I ask myself who voted for these politicians?

Right now the baby boomer generation are your hardcore left and rights people over the age of 55 almost strictly vote down party lines, the same two parties that have robbed them of their money.
 
Right now the baby boomer generation are your hardcore left and rights people over the age of 55 almost strictly vote down party lines, the same two parties that have robbed them of their money.

:17: it's a tradition, and many are too hard headed to read between the lines. I see it everyday. I hate to say it, but we will be better off when some of that "old thought", much of it including bigotry and religious fanaticism, dies off. I would say the same for socialist views as well, but that doesn't appear to be waning at all. I kind of got off topic, sorry.
 
If the money has been deposited properly, we would have more than enough to adequately fund the program ad infinitium.

While I'm 100% on board with your rant, this statement isn't correct. The following link clearly states that even if the IOUs in the trust fund were paid off, it would still be insolvent by 2041.

<i>In theory, Social Security is supposed to continue paying benefits after
2017 by drawing on the Social Security Trust Fund. The trust fund is
supposed to provide enough money to guarantee benefits until 2041, when
it will be exhausted. But one of Washington’s dirty little secrets is that
there really is no trust fund. The government spent that money long ago
to finance general government spending and hide the true size of the
federal budget deficit. The trust fund nowconsists only of IOUs—promises
that at some time in the future the government will replace that money,
which can only be done by collecting more taxes or issuing even more debt.
Even if Congress can find a way to redeem the bonds, the trust fund
surplus will be completely exhausted by 2041. At that point, Social Security
will have to rely solely on revenue from the payroll tax. But that revenue
will not be sufficient to pay all promised benefits</i>

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-25.pdf

I submit to you, that the baby boomers are NOT the cause of the social security crisis, but rather our politicians who have not practiced fiscal responsibility in dealing with our retirement fund. Place the blame where it really belongs, those who are in a direct position to have managed the account, our Congress.

Yes, the blame lies 100% with politicians.

SS has been radically modified over the years by vote-seeking polls pandering to various segments of the populace.

As originally passed, SS provided retirement benefits for the worker only. When the worker died, payments stopped. It was modified a couple of years later to include benefits for the family and children should the worker die. Fast forward several decades and after benefit increases and add-ons of disability benefits, SSI, Medicare and lowering of retirement age they turned a once lean/mean govt program that enjoyed success into a bloated bureaucracy unable to fulfill it's promises.

IMO, in it's original intent it was a good idea but pols whose sole aim was to keep their congressional seat have done serious harm.

I don't understand anyone who isn't for term limits.
 
Social Security is a pay-as-you-go pyramid scheme that only work when more people pay into it than receive benefit from it. The problem we're having now is that the pyramid is being slowly turned upside down because of the glut of the baby boomers.
 
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