Spencer Rattler is at Saints facility early for voluntary workouts post-Carr injury news (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

I mean, the same things happened to Rattler, including a large number of dropped passes, and he still played much better than Haener. Heaner just looked lost and Rattler looked like he belonged. And considering Rattler was a rookie and Haener had a year in the NFL already, I think that's pretty telling about their futures.

Maybe Haener gets better and Rattler doesn't. And maybe Haener ends up passing up Rattler this year, but at this point it's pretty clear that Rattler is far ahead of Haener and Haener has a year more experience in the NFL.

I'm not saying that Rat didn't look better in the Wash game. But,on Rat's 1st drive there was a FS flag that made it 3rd and 11 and he threw his best pass as a Saint to MVS that actually caught it. Then it was Wilson throwing the TD pass.
2nd possession, 3rd and 10 Rat takes a sack and was bailed out by a D holding drive extending flag . Also on that drive he get's a rough the passer call to further aid in the drive , a drive that Miller was the best part of.

3rd drive, He gets another roughing call , but he did throw a very good pass to Foster so it didn't really matter. On this drive Rat had a almost sure pick dropped.

Last drive , It was almost all Miller, Rat threw a couple good passes including the TD but Miller really got them there,

Rat did not have any dropped passes had flags helping his drives, had Wilson throwing 1 of the TD passes. AND the OL played WAY better 2nd half.

I'm not saying Rat played bad I'm saying what if Haener had the same advantages Rat had , no drops , drive extending flags , Miller running the ball well, much better OL play. Go look at that game and you'll see these things

 

[DSnfla]

You can say the the same for Rattler starts. Several drives with drops or holding calls that put them in long down situations, completely missed blocks. Nobody want to give Rattler credit for all the bad plays around him. Almost every start he had like 3 or 4 dropped passes. I think one game I counted like 6.

That's just not accurate, SR had quite a few drive extending flags. Go back and look. Of course with all the injuries there were major challenges.
I do like SR and still have hope he can develop, into what I don't know . But I did see quite a few things that were Issues that really had nothing to do with the poor play around him

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not saying that Rat didn't look better in the Wash game. But,on Rat's 1st drive there was a FS flag that made it 3rd and 11 and he threw his best pass as a Saint to MVS that actually caught it. Then it was Wilson throwing the TD pass.
2nd possession, 3rd and 10 Rat takes a sack and was bailed out by a D holding drive extending flag . Also on that drive he get's a rough the passer call to further aid in the drive , a drive that Miller was the best part of.

3rd drive, He gets another roughing call , but he did throw a very good pass to Foster so it didn't really matter. On this drive Rat had a almost sure pick dropped.

Last drive , It was almost all Miller, Rat threw a couple good passes including the TD but Miller really got them there,

Rat did not have any dropped passes had flags helping his drives, had Wilson throwing 1 of the TD passes. AND the OL played WAY better 2nd half.

I'm not saying Rat played bad I'm saying what if Haener had the same advantages Rat had , no drops , drive extending flags , Miller running the ball well, much better OL play. Go look at that game and you'll see these things

And I'm saying that Haener and Rattler had the same people making the same mistakes around them and Rattler dealt with it better. It's just clear to me that at this point Rattler is by far the better QB. If you disagree that's cool, but I think most people agree that right now Rattler is far ahead of Haener and played much better last year.

But, I also think everyone agrees that for Rattler to be the starter, he has to play much better than he did last year.

 

[St. Widge]

That's just not accurate, SR had quite a few drive extending flags. Go back and look. Of course with all the injuries there were major challenges.
I do like SR and still have hope he can develop, into what I don't know . But I did see quite a few things that were Issues that really had nothing to do with the poor play around him

You know as well as I do that breaks go both ways and tend to even out in the end. The good ones play through the bad breaks and figure out a way to succeed anyway. They also take advantage of the lucky breaks.

 

[nakadish]

And I'm saying that Haener and Rattler had the same people making the same mistakes around them and Rattler dealt with it better. It's just clear to me that at this point Rattler is by far the better QB. If you disagree that's cool, but I think most people agree that right now Rattler is far ahead of Haener and played much better last year.

But, I also think everyone agrees that for Rattler to be the starter, he has to play much better than he did last year.

Actually, at this point all he needs is a functional throwing arm.

 

[greatshow25]

That's just not accurate, SR had quite a few drive extending flags. Go back and look. Of course with all the injuries there were major challenges.
I do like SR and still have hope he can develop, into what I don't know . But I did see quite a few things that were Issues that really had nothing to do with the poor play around him

He may of had a few to keep drives alive, but I watched and was at those games. He hits Juwan inside the 20 drop would’ve been in scoring range punt. Another game hit Juwan inside the 5 drop 2 plays later int. Kamara breaks a run called back for holding. Illegal man down field call wipes out a TD. Juwan drops a 2 point conversion for the win. Get a big play penning gets call for a PF away the play ball was inside the 5 team gets backed up settles for FG. I remember one game I think it was right before or right after the half they got just outside the 20 then had like back to back penalties then a sack and they had to punt because they were out of Fg range. Kamara drop like 3 or passes over the course of a few games. There were more plays like drops on second downs. That would’ve set up 3 and short, but now it’s a 3 and long let’s run the ball and punt. Then when they got behind the chains they took the ball out of his hand, because they didn’t want him to force something. Yes he made bad plays at times and he played hero ball at times as well, but don’t act like was all him.

 

[NatureBoy]

Where it starts in this new chapter is exactly the point, though. We’re talking about it because we have confirmation that Rattler took this step. What about the other QBs? Or other young players who would benefit from showing this kind of effort?

You’re right that there is a lot more that goes into being successful but putting in the extra time and work is a common trait for the players who do distinguish themselves. It’s a good sign from a player at a position group that is currently very unsettled.

Of course. Any player (and coach) on this team who's serious about his job should be putting in the extra effort. Especially the QBs. The Saints have a long road ahead of them.

 

[DSnfla]

He may of had a few to keep drives alive, but I watched and was at those games. He hits Juwan inside the 20 drop would’ve been in scoring range punt. Another game hit Juwan inside the 5 drop 2 plays later int. Kamara breaks a run called back for holding. Illegal man down field call wipes out a TD. Juwan drops a 2 point conversion for the win. Get a big play penning gets call for a PF away the play ball was inside the 5 team gets backed up settles for FG. I remember one game I think it was right before or right after the half they got just outside the 20 then had like back to back penalties then a sack and they had to punt because they were out of Fg range. Kamara drop like 3 or passes over the course of a few games. There were more plays like drops on second downs. That would’ve set up 3 and short, but now it’s a 3 and long let’s run the ball and punt. Then when they got behind the chains they took the ball out of his hand, because they didn’t want him to force something. Yes he made bad plays at times and he played hero ball at times as well, but don’t act like was all him.

OK in which games did these things happen and I'll go back as watch them

 

[ndcc]

I want everyone to remember that Rattler had to go up against playoff teams in 6 of his 7 games last year. No, he didn't win any of those games. Not winning IS a problem for the team. But the team has been atrocious against teams with winning records over the last two season with the only wins being against the 9-8 Colts and 9-8 Bucs in 2023. Expecting a rookie to come in off the scout team and lead them to wins against teams with 10+ wins when the team at it's best couldn't do it was never a fair expectation. He'll have to be better than just good enough to deserve and keep the job, but something about him tells me he's going to do everything he has to do to earn it.

Well thought-out reply. Deserving of…

 

[MikeyF]

Kellen Moore referenced the “challenging circumstances” Rattler faced during his rookie season. Beginning the season as the starter would present Rattler with a healthy supporting cast. Protection should be improved. Chris Olave, Rashid Shaheed, Brandin Cooks and any receivers added to the receiving corps will give the young quarterback reliable options, opposed to the makeshift receiving corps he had to throw to last year.

Derek Carr's injury opens the door for yearlong audition for Saints QB Spencer Rattler

Derek Carr could miss the entire season. If so, the Saints should give strong consideration to giving the reigns to Spencer Rattler.

saintswire.usatoday.com

Spencer Rattler dealt with 'challenging circumstances' but Kellen Moore liked what he saw

Spencer Rattler went winless as a rookie. Kellen Moore felt some of that was due to circumstances, but thought Rattler showed positive traits on film.

saintswire.usatoday.com

 

[MikeyF]

We had an excellent rate of attendance by our newly signed players & veterans.

Key players attend Saints’ offseason workout kickoff

The Saints kicked off offseason workouts Monday with key vets, injured players returning, and QB Spencer Rattler stepping up as Derek Carr recovers from injury.

www.louisianasports.net

 

[Geldo]

Did any rookie Saints QB have a worse situation to deal with than Spencer (except for Archie perhaps).
Half the line out hurt, both starting receivers out, your talismanic all-purpose player out. The coaching situation changed completely, and the defence lost both starters at CB and couldn't make the stops needed to keep games tight.
I can't judge his talent on what he did last year. The only things we found out were that he has a good arm and he is very competitive.
He couldn't play well for a whole game - but in the situation he was in, any QB would struggle.
We need to give him a proper chance and see what he can do when we have starters in the game and before the inevitable onslaught of injuries puts the whole offense on IR by week 3

 

[MikeyF]

Did any rookie Saints QB have a worse situation to deal with than Spencer (except for Archie perhaps).
Half the line out hurt, both starting receivers out, your talismanic all-purpose player out. The coaching situation changed completely, and the defence lost both starters at CB and couldn't make the stops needed to keep games tight.
I can't judge his talent on what he did last year. The only things we found out were that he has a good arm and he is very competitive.
He couldn't play well for a whole game - but in the situation he was in, any QB would struggle.
We need to give him a proper chance and see what he can do when we have starters in the game and before the inevitable onslaught of injuries puts the whole offense on IR by week 3

Even Archie didn't have to rotate practice snaps...

For all who didn't play organized tackle football; this is completely insane to do something like this to your starting QB much less a rookie starting QB...
You might rotate a "Tayson Hill" into the huddle on his designed special plays in practice but your starting QB gets the practice snaps while the backup watches from behind...

I can promise you that there wasn't another QB in the NFL that had to deal with this much less a rookie QB who had to rotate practice snaps...
It is a big deal in the development of a young QB...

 

[sfidc3]

And I'm saying that Haener and Rattler had the same people making the same mistakes around them and Rattler dealt with it better. It's just clear to me that at this point Rattler is by far the better QB. If you disagree that's cool, but I think most people agree that right now Rattler is far ahead of Haener and played much better last year.

But, I also think everyone agrees that for Rattler to be the starter, he has to play much better than he did last year.

Yup, I mean very short sample of Haener but he looked really bad.....no doubt that Rattler is ahead of him on the depth chart, and while possible, I don't see that changing.....

It will be interesting to see if CKM is confident enough in Rattler to roll with him or do we draft someone.....we will see soon enough....