Spencer Rattler On The Rich Eisen Show (7/3) (4 Viewers)

[RebSaint]

I like both of them, and we're going to NEED both of them.

What do you mean here, specifically? Because I think you're right in the context of this year. Both will compete and hopefully make each other better, and that competition will (hopefully) land the organization a QB capable of taking the team to the playoffs and a championship.

But ultimately, we need only one of them. If one takes the reigns and the Saints have almost instant success, I can see the individual who doesn't get the start think about moving on eventually. Or not--maybe the one who does not win the starting job will be content being a back up, but I do not see it with either of these guys. Who knows what will happen, I just see the the one who doesn't get the starting job seeking an opportunity elsewhere if he shows enough positive plays, moments, etc.

If the Saints "need" both in that there's a musical chairs scenario where neither one really shows much development, that "need" is a burden and means that they'll have to start over of sorts at the position. I was just reminded of the saying if a team has two QBs, they do not have a QB.

*edit* I'm also assuming that the Saints' eventual starter will either be named Shough or Rattler, despite Dekkers and Haener in the mix. However, I don't see either of the latter guys starting anywhere, much less the Saints.

 

[StudioSaint]

Not cool, bruh.

I didn't word it in the best way and the question mark got lost in the quotation marks.

I found it odd that St4Ever said this:

Me too but part of me thinks if he gets beat the chip on his shoulder gets heavier and when TS gets hurt he comes in and rips it!

I was surprised he said when instead of if. I've edited my original post for clarity.

 

[nakadish]

Man, are we still harping on about Jameis? Let it go man. That was an experiment from Sean Payton's team, two head coaches ago.

Rattler's arm is very good. He had incredible poise with an absolutely terrible team in his starts. He took pretty good care of the ball while the games were competitive, only having bad plays once we were firmly in desperation mode. Confidently commanded the huddle and had the respect and support of his teammates. Got better as he got more playing time. Has decent to good scrambling ability, but doesn't rely on it as a first option.

There is a lot to like about Rattler if you choose to see it. If you're still waking up at night in tears because Jameis isn't here then you'll probably have a hard time seeing it.

I'm not being argumentative, dude. I'm just asking what you like about him, like "I like him because..." Sheesh!!!

And No, I wasn't a Jameis fan. That wasn't really called for.

 

[webster]

I'm not being argumentative, dude. I'm just asking what you like about him, like "I like him because..." Sheesh!!!

And No, I wasn't a Jameis fan. That wasn't really called for.

I’m not a Jamies fan either, but if he was on the current roster, he would be a lock to start the season.

 

[Patman255]

I’m not a Jamies fan either, but if he was on the current roster, he would be a lock to start the season.

I'm not sure I agree. I think developing our 24/25 year old QBs with potential to develop into franchise QBs takes precedent over marching out a 31 year old journeyman. Jameis or some other journeyman isn't on our roster precisely because they wouldn't be a lock to start.

Yes, Jameis may slightly improve the odds of winning on September 7th, but at the expense of our odds of winning games in December and 2026.

Otherwise, I think we'd have a Jameis, Pickett, etc. kind of guy on the roster.

 

[webster]

I'm not sure I agree. I think developing our 24/25 year old QBs with potential to develop into franchise QBs takes precedent over marching out a 31 year old journeyman. Jameis or some other journeyman isn't on our roster precisely because they wouldn't be a lock to start.

Yes, Jameis may slightly improve the odds of winning on September 7th, but at the expense of our odds of winning games in December and 2026.

Otherwise, I think we'd have a Jameis, Pickett, etc. kind of guy on the roster.

Purely choosing a starter based on talent JW would be the starter. If the goal is to evaluate players and not be concerned about winning then I agree. And if this is the case all the young players should get a shot at starting.

 

[TribuneUK]

Purely choosing a starter based on talent JW would be the starter. If the goal is to evaluate players and not be concerned about winning then I agree. And if this is the case all the young players should get a shot at starting.

Observations:-

You don't have to start a player to evaluate them. It helps, but it's not critical.

Winston will be third string QB on his current team, he was benched for the third string QB on his last team and is on his third team in three seasons. He's got limited relevance to a conversation about QBs and starting NFL games.

 

[Elvis]

I'm not being argumentative, dude. I'm just asking what you like about him, like "I like him because..." Sheesh!!!

And No, I wasn't a Jameis fan. That wasn't really called for.

Whatever, it sounded argumentative. My original comment was super benign, even allowing for the fact that he could be beat in camp. The things to like about him are very obvious to everyone who watched the games he played in. And YOU brought up Jameis in a thread about Rattler interview. Backtracking now is super beta.

 

[webster]

Observations:-

You don't have to start a player to evaluate them. It helps, but it's not critical.

Winston will be third string QB on his current team, he was benched for the third string QB on his last team and is on his third team in three seasons. He's got limited relevance to a conversation about QBs and starting NFL games.

I agree that JW couldn’t start on any other NFL team and would likely be third string on more than half the rosters, but with that said he would be the starter here.

 

[Swampy Saint]

I agree that JW couldn’t start on any other NFL team and would likely be third string on more than half the rosters, but with that said he would be the starter here.

Nah, Winston has gotten enough head coaches fired already.
CKM isn’t stupid.

He NEEDS to find his own starting QB, whether it’s the the guys we have now or one next year.

 

[Elvis]

I agree that JW couldn’t start on any other NFL team and would likely be third string on more than half the rosters, but with that said he would be the starter here.

Jameis Winston is fools gold. He looks like the real deal and isn’t. Great human being, but not a good QB. Any smart coach, and I believe we have one, takes the higher upside unknown QB over what is a very known quality.

 

[TribuneUK]

Jameis Winston is fools gold. He looks like the real deal and isn’t. Great human being, but not a good QB. Any smart coach, and I believe we have one, takes the higher upside unknown QB over what is a very known quality.

When 32 NFL teams all choose not to make you a starter, you're not a starter in the NFL. It doesn't get simpler than that. Tin foil hats notwithstanding.

 

[Merl]

I agree that JW couldn’t start on any other NFL team and would likely be third string on more than half the rosters, but with that said he would be the starter here.

If so he would've on the Saints

 

[Jesse Custer]

Jameis Winston is fools gold. He looks like the real deal and isn’t. Great human being, but not a good QB. Any smart coach, and I believe we have one, takes the higher upside unknown QB over what is a very known quality.

It took a Hall of Fame coach to get Winston to play within himself and even then he sometimes went a bit rogue and made throws he shouldn't have that shouldn't have worked but somehow did (i.e. The God's Plan™ TD).