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As it relates to both the prequel and the sequel trilogies, the middle film was by far the weakest. Ironically, the middle film was the best of the original trilogy.

OT - Empire, New Hope, ROJ
PT - Revenge of the Sith, Phantom, AOC
ST - ROS, TFA, Last Jedi
 

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I've said this before and I'll say it again, The Force Awakens was the best out of the new trilogy whilst the new trilogy is the worst trilogy.
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1-3 were directing, acting, story/character/writing trainwrecks -of epic proportions and really merely exercises in state of the art tech
7-9 had flawed stories - everything else was topnotch
 

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As it relates to both the prequel and the sequel trilogies, the middle film was by far the weakest. Ironically, the middle film was the best of the original trilogy.

OT - Empire, New Hope, ROJ
PT - Revenge of the Sith, Phantom, AOC
ST - ROS, TFA, Last Jedi
This is how I have it...

OT - ESTB, ANH, ROTJ
PT - ROTS, AOC, PM
ST - TFA, TLJ, ROS

I think Attack of the Clones is a very underrated and overly-criticized film. While it had the cheesy romance scenes and such, and Hayden Christensen had that annoying teenager vibe throughout the whole movie, the film really advanced the story, connected a lot of dots, delved deeply into the central conflict without overbearing us with politics, put, like I talked about before, PT characters into OT settings like Tatooine, put PT characters into contact with OT characters like Anakin dealing with the sand people and Jawas or he and Padme visiting the Lars family. And, to top it off, it had what I think was the greatest 15 to 20 minute stretch of the entire Star Wars Saga, starting with the entire Battle of Geonosis, where we got our one and only glimpse of an entire Jedi squadron going to work on bad guys, followed by finally getting to see how in the heck would Yoda function in a light saber battle. Ironically, that incredible 15 to 20 minute stretch was preceded by the most cringe-worthy 5 minutes of the saga's history, the factory scene, but still, I enjoyed the movie as a whole.

For the ST rankings, I thought the trilogy started great, but then fell off of a cliff and just got progressively worse. As explained before, I thought TFA was awesome. I hated The Last Jedi, but at least the plot and pacing were coherent and it was a good action flick - I just hated the storytelling/narrative choices. TROS though was just cartoonish foolishness that had no business being green-lit to be a part of the official saga story, and REALLY brought the entire series to a climax that was not only not satisfying, but did not serve the entirety of the 9 episode saga well at all.

As I said before, did we really build up all this canon, the rise and fall of Anakin, and an entire Skywalker family saga just for the conclusion to be that a random granddaughter Palpatine had that no one knew of would kill her dead grandfather that popped back up into the story for unexplained reasons out of nowhere, with motivations that change throughout the film and make hardly any sense? Say what?!!!!
 

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As I said before, did we really build up all this canon, the rise and fall of Anakin, and an entire Skywalker family saga just for the conclusion to be that a random granddaughter Palpatine had that no one knew of would kill her dead grandfather that popped back up into the story for unexplained reasons out of nowhere, with motivations that change throughout the film and make hardly any sense? Say what?!!!!
This right here all day long.
 

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1/2 right 1/2 devastatingly wrong
1-3 were directing, acting, story/character/writing trainwrecks -of epic proportions and really merely exercises in state of the art tech
7-9 had flawed stories - everything else was topnotch
I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.
 

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I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.
I actually have always liked the fact that Star Wars never took itself too seriously and sprinkled in moments of humor, but I agree, TLJ overdid it, as did TPM. I thought TFA struck a perfect balance, especially with the usage Finn's character; it felt genuine and served the story.
 

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I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.
I think the last few seasons of GoT is a shining example of ‘everything but the writing room/story working- when Jaime slept with Brienne and then bounced for Cersei- it was an incredibly well acted and well shot scene, the story was just poo
i think both GoT and the final trilogy from a similar problem of too many producer agendas at cross purposes- but at the core it was the story that was the issue (unlike 1-3 where every aspect was troubled)
 

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I actually have always liked the fact that Star Wars never took itself too seriously and sprinkled in moments of humor, but I agree, TLJ overdid it, as did TPM. I thought TFA struck a perfect balance, especially with the usage Finn's character; it felt genuine and served the story.
Agreed - in very different ways Han and the droids’ are comic relief
 

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Agreed - in very different ways Han and the droids’ is comic relief
Indeed. Those things felt natural and flowed with the story. The Porgs, Luke tossing the lightsaber, the casino all felt like add ons and were more distracting than building up to a crescendo. It just felt disjointed starts and stops. It was jarring tbh. And having a different director for 8 just kind of ruined the entire series.
 

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Indeed. Those things felt natural and flowed with the story. The Porgs, Luke tossing the lightsaber, the casino all felt like add ons and were more distracting than building up to a crescendo. It just felt disjointed starts and stops. It was jarring tbh. And having a different director for 8 just kind of ruined the entire series.
I’ll cede the casino, that was hella dumb
porgs like Ewoks are part of the SW fabric -it is what it is- at least they’re not gungans
i have no problem with Luke tossing the lightsaber - if you take it on face value it is an incredibly succinct download of what luke has been going through since rotj
 

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I’ll cede the casino, that was hella dumb
porgs like Ewoks are part of the SW fabric -it is what it is- at least they’re not gungans
i have no problem with Luke tossing the lightsaber - if you take it on face value it is an incredibly succinct download of what luke has been going through since rotj
Chewy should've eaten that Porg he so wonderfully cooked, I mean it was already dead and cooked. I wouldn't have let those Porgs sad face me into submission.
 

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The sequel trilogy's biggest problem is they never established a road map. It was literally "Ok, J.J., you make a movie, Rian you make a movie, and Colin you make a movie. Oh no, Carrie Fisher died and this is taking too long, Colin you're fired. J.J. come make another movie." Nobody sat down the talent and worked out a three act story for everyone to work on. That much is obvious by how radically different the leaked Colin Trevorrow script is from what Rise of Skywalker ended up being. They're not even kind of similar. J.J insists the plan all along was for Palpatine to be the big bad behind everything. Well he's not even IN the Trevorrow script except for a random mention. So since the guy that was originally writing and directing the third movie didn't even have Palpatine in the film, I think we can dismiss all claims of that being the plan from the word go. Or that there even was a plan. There was no plan. And it shows.
 

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Chewy should've eaten that Porg he so wonderfully cooked, I mean it was already dead and cooked. I wouldn't have let those Porgs sad face me into submission.
Absolutely. It was dumb. He should have taken a bite for each sad faced grunt, or whatever that sound was they were making. And the natives were just plain goofy or creepy.
 

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