Star Wars 9 rise of sky walker [Spoilers] (2 Viewers)

I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.

I actually have always liked the fact that Star Wars never took itself too seriously and sprinkled in moments of humor, but I agree, TLJ overdid it, as did TPM. I thought TFA struck a perfect balance, especially with the usage Finn's character; it felt genuine and served the story.
 
I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.
I think the last few seasons of GoT is a shining example of ‘everything but the writing room/story working- when Jaime slept with Brienne and then bounced for Cersei- it was an incredibly well acted and well shot scene, the story was just poo
i think both GoT and the final trilogy from a similar problem of too many producer agendas at cross purposes- but at the core it was the story that was the issue (unlike 1-3 where every aspect was troubled)
 
I actually have always liked the fact that Star Wars never took itself too seriously and sprinkled in moments of humor, but I agree, TLJ overdid it, as did TPM. I thought TFA struck a perfect balance, especially with the usage Finn's character; it felt genuine and served the story.
Agreed - in very different ways Han and the droids’ are comic relief
 
Agreed - in very different ways Han and the droids’ is comic relief

Indeed. Those things felt natural and flowed with the story. The Porgs, Luke tossing the lightsaber, the casino all felt like add ons and were more distracting than building up to a crescendo. It just felt disjointed starts and stops. It was jarring tbh. And having a different director for 8 just kind of ruined the entire series.
 
Indeed. Those things felt natural and flowed with the story. The Porgs, Luke tossing the lightsaber, the casino all felt like add ons and were more distracting than building up to a crescendo. It just felt disjointed starts and stops. It was jarring tbh. And having a different director for 8 just kind of ruined the entire series.
I’ll cede the casino, that was hella dumb
porgs like Ewoks are part of the SW fabric -it is what it is- at least they’re not gungans
i have no problem with Luke tossing the lightsaber - if you take it on face value it is an incredibly succinct download of what luke has been going through since rotj
 
I’ll cede the casino, that was hella dumb
porgs like Ewoks are part of the SW fabric -it is what it is- at least they’re not gungans
i have no problem with Luke tossing the lightsaber - if you take it on face value it is an incredibly succinct download of what luke has been going through since rotj

Chewy should've eaten that Porg he so wonderfully cooked, I mean it was already dead and cooked. I wouldn't have let those Porgs sad face me into submission.
 
The sequel trilogy's biggest problem is they never established a road map. It was literally "Ok, J.J., you make a movie, Rian you make a movie, and Colin you make a movie. Oh no, Carrie Fisher died and this is taking too long, Colin you're fired. J.J. come make another movie." Nobody sat down the talent and worked out a three act story for everyone to work on. That much is obvious by how radically different the leaked Colin Trevorrow script is from what Rise of Skywalker ended up being. They're not even kind of similar. J.J insists the plan all along was for Palpatine to be the big bad behind everything. Well he's not even IN the Trevorrow script except for a random mention. So since the guy that was originally writing and directing the third movie didn't even have Palpatine in the film, I think we can dismiss all claims of that being the plan from the word go. Or that there even was a plan. There was no plan. And it shows.
 
Chewy should've eaten that Porg he so wonderfully cooked, I mean it was already dead and cooked. I wouldn't have let those Porgs sad face me into submission.

Absolutely. It was dumb. He should have taken a bite for each sad faced grunt, or whatever that sound was they were making. And the natives were just plain goofy or creepy.
 
I completely disagree on 7-9. The issues with those 3 is much deeper than flawed stories. Everything else was not topnotch. TLJ was fraught with poorly timed punch lines and attempts at humor that were try hard cheesy moments. It made me cringe more than laugh. Star Wars isn't a comedy, although a lot of episodes have some sprinkled throughout. It rarely overshadowed the story. The ones that did, to me got the worst reviews. Phantom Menance, AOC to some degree and TLJ were the worst. The most memorable films and moments were those serious, intense moments when the forces are at battle with one another.

I guess those are storytelling issues, but the directors and writers are the ones who create the overall vision for each of the trilogies, and TLJ was a jarring, almost nonsensical telling of the middle episode of what's supposed to be the bridge between 7 and 9. It felt more like a filler episode than a continuation of an epic saga.
This last point sums up my feelings quite well. I've made my thoughts about TLJ quite clear in that thread, so I won't re-hash those here, but the fact that it failed to bridge episodes 7 and 9 is its biggest sin.

And, that's why I grade RoS on a major curve. Johnson left the trilogy nowhere to go in its final installment, so most of the movie is spent trying to correct that. I walked into 9 with very low expectations, and came out thoroughly entertained. It's not a movie I'd care to own, but I am looking forward to a second viewing when it lands on Disney+.
 
This last point sums up my feelings quite well. I've made my thoughts about TLJ quite clear in that thread, so I won't re-hash those here, but the fact that it failed to bridge episodes 7 and 9 is its biggest sin.

And, that's why I grade RoS on a major curve. Johnson left the trilogy nowhere to go in its final installment, so most of the movie is spent trying to correct that. I walked into 9 with very low expectations, and came out thoroughly entertained. It's not a movie I'd care to own, but I am looking forward to a second viewing when it lands on Disney+.

Yeah, I don't know why it evolved the way it did, but the trilogy and story telling should have been completed before the first movie started shooting. I just hope Disney and Star Wars recognizes the flaws for what they are and changes their approach in future trilogies or sagas.
 

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