Star Wars: Andor (1 Viewer)

[Loco Hornet Fan]

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“Never more than 12”

was a great line to end on. I am READY for more Andor.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

This show is just riveting, every episode.

The plot moved forward half a step, but that was easily my favorite episode- every frame was riveting

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I think he could be right. He was on 4 and got sent to 2. He probably wasn't supposed to go to 2 but a different level where everyone there was "released". Once he got sent to 2, he told everyone like he would've on the right level but since he went to the wrong one and told everybody it probably caused a small mutiny and so they had to zap everyone.

The show has done the best job so far of showing the empire prioritizes order and efficiency to competence - in all of ISB they’re showing us all of 2 people who care about doing a good job - everyone else is cya
And Andor adds this episode how the empire/prison guards just don’t care enough about the prisoners to worry about them
So mistakes like putting the wrong prisoner in the wrong place should not be a surprise- it should be expected

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

The show has done the best job so far of showing the empire prioritizes order and efficiency to competence - in all of ISB they’re showing us all of 2 people who care about doing a good job - everyone else is cya
And Andor adds this episode how the empire/prison guards just don’t care enough about the prisoners to worry about them
So mistakes like putting the wrong prisoner in the wrong place should not be a surprise- it should be expected

I get it but the Emperor waited decades to see his plan come to fruition and it all gets undone because of incompetence? His plan never should've worked then. "Decades of meticulous planning led to the creation of the Empire but now that we have an Empire, you can just phone it in now." I don't think I like that but the show is still awesome, that hasn't changed.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I get it but the Emperor waited decades to see his plan come to fruition and it all gets undone because of incompetence? His plan never should've worked then. "Decades of meticulous planning led to the creation of the Empire but now that we have an Empire, you can just phone it in now." I don't think I like that but the show is still awesome, that hasn't changed.

I know canon is now with Disney but they still draw a lot from the books. And in the books it is suggested that the Emperor was much stronger in the Force than any of us realize. There were many books that suggested he actually controlled much of the activity in the Empire thru the Force by directly controlling individuals. Even so far as to control his military during combat with the rebels. It would be very fanciful to suggest that in the Disney-verse, but in the books it was very sinister and completely believable.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I know canon is now with Disney but they still draw a lot from the books. And in the books it is suggested that the Emperor was much stronger in the Force than any of us realize. There were many books that suggested he actually controlled much of the activity in the Empire thru the Force by directly controlling individuals. Even so far as to control his military during combat with the rebels. It would be very fanciful to suggest that in the Disney-verse, but in the books it was very sinister and completely believable.

So he was so hands on that things were bound to slip through the cracks? I can go with that.

 

[Sailorsaint]

So he was so hands on that things were bound to slip through the cracks? I can go with that.

In the books, the only reason the rebels won at Endor was because the Emperor was killed and all coordination between the ships broke down with no direction or function.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I get it but the Emperor waited decades to see his plan come to fruition and it all gets undone because of incompetence? His plan never should've worked then. "Decades of meticulous planning led to the creation of the Empire but now that we have an Empire, you can just phone it in now." I don't think I like that but the show is still awesome, that hasn't changed.

he had a plan to overthrow the jedi - but his post Order 66 to do list seems to be "put the boot on their necks"
the only agenda i've heard is some variation of 'peace through security'
i really don't think there was a post 66 plan
there's anywhere from 1-4 Sith running around - that means the overwhelming mechanism for implementing and maintaining the Empire is the military and bureaucracy
in the OT we followed the Empire mostly through the actions of Vader, so we were first told about the most menacing aspect of the Empire (even then we saw the internal backbiting that seems inherent to top down structures)

Through all these stories, we've basically seen that the operations of the galaxy is some permutation of 'the senate' - Palps kept most of the structure in place, he just made it into some sort of 'representational' monarchy
once the rebels overthrew that system, the attempted to re-form the senate - again, the structure is essentially still there, they're just rebranding it, in essence

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

This show hasn't been my cup of tea. It seems like they could have compressed nine episodes into three. Not a whole lot of action, and the dialogue has been meh. The characters just seem dull.

And the way they are showing the Empire is kinda, I dunno, weird, and just doesn't jive with anything we've experienced before. Yeah, I guess that not everyone in imperial service is some ruthless Sith, and that they are trying to show a kinder, gentler more bureaucratic face and how/why your average, non-evil human might follow, but it just seems like an almost totally different universe.

Maybe I should rewatch.

 

[Loco Hornet Fan]

This show hasn't been my cup of tea. It seems like they could have compressed nine episodes into three. Not a whole lot of action, and the dialogue has been meh. The characters just seem dull.

And the way they are showing the Empire is kinda, I dunno, weird, and just doesn't jive with anything we've experienced before. Yeah, I guess that not everyone in imperial service is some ruthless Sith, and that they are trying to show a kinder, gentler more bureaucratic face and how/why your average, non-evil human might follow, but it just seems like an almost totally different universe.

Maybe I should rewatch.

I think not trying to compress the show has been one of its biggest strengths.

We can step away from Cassian a bit more and learn more about the other characters and motivations, as well as see how other characters are experiencing the results of certain actions.

I also really dig the little 2-3 episode arcs they’ve been doing.

I was really invested in the Aldhani heist because we had already spent 2 (or so) episodes with the characters as they put everything together and established stakes (both personal & for the rebellion). I feel the same way now with the prison arc.

 

[Scorpius the Allfather]

I think not trying to compress the show has been one of its biggest strengths.

We can step away from Cassian a bit more and learn more about the other characters and motivations, as well as see how other characters are experiencing the results of certain actions.

I also really dig the little 2-3 episode arcs they’ve been doing.

I was really invested in the Aldhani heist because we had already spent 2 (or so) episodes with the characters as they put everything together and established stakes (both personal & for the rebellion). I feel the same way now with the prison arc.

I think I might like Andor more than The Mandalorian.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I think not trying to compress the show has been one of its biggest strengths.

We can step away from Cassian a bit more and learn more about the other characters and motivations, as well as see how other characters are experiencing the results of certain actions.

I also really dig the little 2-3 episode arcs they’ve been doing.

I was really invested in the Aldhani heist because we had already spent 2 (or so) episodes with the characters as they put everything together and established stakes (both personal & for the rebellion). I feel the same way now with the prison arc.

This is the answer
If someone is looking for an action fix, then I get that this is not the show
But everything about this show - writing, acting, direction, SUBTLETY!!! is 9/10

 

[Yatman]

i'm glad andor hasn't leaned on jedi/sith mysticalities, relying instead on the wits and guts of mere mortals

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

This show hasn't been my cup of tea. It seems like they could have compressed nine episodes into three. Not a whole lot of action, and the dialogue has been meh. The characters just seem dull.

And the way they are showing the Empire is kinda, I dunno, weird, and just doesn't jive with anything we've experienced before. Yeah, I guess that not everyone in imperial service is some ruthless Sith, and that they are trying to show a kinder, gentler more bureaucratic face and how/why your average, non-evil human might follow, but it just seems like an almost totally different universe.

Maybe I should rewatch.

I think what’s going on with this Empire is a balance of realpolitik and original 70s Nazi comp
We held the nazis to be evil, organizational geniuses- but almost a monolith and an isolated occurrence
We wanted to believe that Nazis were a rarity and something like that was unlikely to happen again
I think now we see conditions of Germany at the time fostered and facilitated the nazi rise
And of course, contemporarily, we see tons of demi fascists and nationalists in a shocking number of countries
And there’s nothing particularly special, interesting or even purposeful
Today’s depictions of fascism don’t focus on much special about the fascists, but more on the hate mixed with the broader lethargy and apathy that greases the skids for the hate to find a foothold

 

[TheRealJRad]

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

More episodes but tighter shooting schedule
Is this bc not many fx shots or something else?