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This has actually happened to me before

Also pre pandemic I'm in a fast food place - place my order and I'm waiting, waiting, waiting

Others (Read: White) placed their orders after me yet get their food before me, and it was like 3 or 4 people

I say something. They say they "forgot" about my order, they make it and I get my food

As I'm sitting down eating (Angrily) the SAME EXACT THING happens to another black guy who comes in

Coincidence????
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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Different treatment because of the color of your skin, that's what a Black San Francisco man said happened to him at a San Jose Starbucks. Now the company is apologizing and retraining staff.

"Come straight up to me points to the door and says I need you outside. And at that moment, man, it's embarrassing. It's irritating. Humiliating. Why me?," said Bryce Ward exclusively to ABC7 News.

Starbucks is now apologizing to Ward after he was told to step outside of the coffee shop on Mckee Road in San Jose while he waited for his order to be made.

He said he remained inside the store after two women left, by his logic the store was no longer at capacity.

Ward provided a receipt to ABC7 News showing he was at the store and made the purchase March 15 at approximately 9:30 a.m.

Ward said a manager told him the store was at capacity per Santa Clara County's COVID restrictions so he had to leave.

He said other customers were allowed into the store and he believes he was targeted because he's Black...............

EXCLUSIVE: Starbucks apologizes to Black San Francisco man over alleged incident of discrimination at San Jose store - ABC7 San Francisco (abc7news.com)


 
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Very true on all parts! It's not a comfortable conversation. Your friends, being your friends and not intending to hurt your feelings, could have felt like this but it's no doubt a conversation that had to be had. "You're overeacting" or "you're taking this too seriously" or "everyone gets their turn" are all comments that, purposely or not, are meant to invalidate your concern.

I think these conversations, while uncomfortable, can be more easily had if we start from the standpoint that the person raising the concern did so because he/she thinks he/she has a real concern instead of meeting it with comments that seemingly invalidate the person's point of view. Then in turn, when the other side responds, the same "courtesy" (for lack of a better term) should be extended.
I think the difference is, that I never thought it was fair to think that my friends were doing it only because I was the smaller guy. I always thought of that as my hangup, not theirs. It's more likely that they just did it because of their comfort level with me, but I let my own insecurities twist that into something that it wasn't and it could have been something that damaged our friendship. I'm not saying that it is necessarily the same thing, I'm just saying that from my perspective & experiences, it feels like it can be.
 

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I think the difference is, that I never thought it was fair to think that my friends were doing it only because I was the smaller guy. I always thought of that as my hangup, not theirs. It's more likely that they just did it because of their comfort level with me, but I let my own insecurities twist that into something that it wasn't and it could have been something that damaged my friendship. I'm not saying that it is necessarily the same thing, I'm just saying that from my perspective & experiences, it feels like it can be.
I support the space for smaller guys to all have different feelings about how they are treated. You came to a conclusion that someone else may never reach and there's an even smaller guy out there that never even had a second thought about it and laughed it off. All are genuine.

Again, expressing one's concerns shouldn't be routinely dismissed especially if there's a history to support the origin of those feelings...err, in this case, tall people picking on shorter people.
 

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I support the space for smaller guys to all have different feelings about how they are treated. You came to a conclusion that someone else may never reach and there's an even smaller guy out there that never even had a second thought about it and laughed it off. All are genuine.

Again, expressing one's concerns shouldn't be routinely dismissed especially if there's a history to support the origin of those feelings...err, in this case, tall people picking on shorter people.
Hey, short people pick on tall people too! I can remember when I was on a little league basketball team and we used to chant "burn that tree with gasoline!" at the opponent's tallest player. :hihi:
 

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What are some examples of microagression? I'm just trying to picture what that looks like.
Excellent start of the discussion. Here's a few:

Trending a conversation that completely omits a minority member of the group.

Not realizing you have a "I am not used to seeing you in this situation" look on your face: ask any black professional what happens when he/she is in a boardroom.

Being patronizing without realizing it.

In a conversation, again without realizing it, presuming that a single member of a minority speaks for all of it. This completely objectifies the person and denies their existence as a individual.

Look, I'm a middle-aged white guy, so I am probably not the best person to ask, but I at least wanted to see if this could be a meaningful discussion about something I didn't ever realize was a thing until about five years ago. :covri:
 

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Hey, short people pick on tall people too! I can remember when I was on a little league basketball team and we used to chant "burn that tree with gasoline!" at the opponent's tallest player. :hihi:
Ummm, I don't think the teasing is the core issue here....
 
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Hey, short people pick on tall people too! I can remember when I was on a little league basketball team and we used to chant "burn that tree with gasoline!" at the opponent's tallest player. :hihi:
I have a buddy of mine that's 6'-6" and he gets mad (not really) at me when I purposefully position myself in his shade. :D
 
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In a conversation, again without realizing it, presuming that a single member of a minority speaks for all of it. This completely objectifies the person and denies their existence as a individual.
This is exactly why I was asking @livefromDC how he specifically felt on our topic.

No one should presume to think that all or even a majority of people of any difference (race, religion, sex etc) feel or react the same way. But without conversations like that, it's more difficult to understand how your feelings and interactions may affect others who may not be able to relate to your personal experience, nor can one realize how their own experiences may be influencing their perception of interactions.
 

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I wonder if microaggressions will still be a complaint after the economy crashes.

Yemenis: My child died from malnutrition and cholera due to Saudi/US embargos and bombing.
Americans: These microaggressions are a crime against humanity!
usually your insistence that we stay focused on the US's 'crimes' in the middle east are helpful
in this instance it's just gaslighty
 

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Of course, I'm talking about both sides having the same understanding. If the other person doesn't like it, of course it's wrong. I thought that was obvious.

When I say in good fun, it means fun for both. I even said "if we 'get' each other" in my post.
there is also a concern if others are around to witness
like a wife might not mind if a husband smacks her on the butt - but if the niece or nephew happen to see it, it changes it a bit, i think
 

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there is also a concern if others are around to witness
like a wife might not mind if a husband smacks her on the butt - but if the niece or nephew happen to see it, it changes it a bit, i think
Sure, I think if the wife doesn't like someone else seeing it, she is free to say as much. Also, at least between my wife and I, her facial expression is usually enough for me to get the hint. I think that applies to other circumstances as well. Situational awareness is a thing in social settings as much as in sports.
 

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usually your insistence that we stay focused on the US's 'crimes' in the middle east are helpful
in this instance it's just gaslighty
We are living through the largest wealth transfer from the middle class to the wealthy in history (through printing money), the bill of rights has been trashed by states/cities all over the country, crime is up dramatically, small businesses have been decimated due to government action, mortgage disaster is around the corner, but people are going to take time to complain about micro aggressions.

Eventually the bill will come due and people won't care about micro aggressions. They will care about how do I pay my rent/mortgage, how do i get a job, how do I feed my family. If micro aggressions are in your top 5 complaints, your life is awesome compared to most people in the world.
 

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Sure, I think if the wife doesn't like someone else seeing it, she is free to say as much. Also, at least between my wife and I, her facial expression is usually enough for me to get the hint. I think that applies to other circumstances as well. Situational awareness is a thing in social settings as much as in sports.
the wife is fine with it - they don't even know anyone saw until the wife's sister fusses at her when the niece tells the sister what she saw
 

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We are living through the largest wealth transfer from the middle class to the wealthy in history (through printing money), the bill of rights has been trashed by states/cities all over the country, crime is up dramatically, small businesses have been decimated due to government action, mortgage disaster is around the corner, but people are going to take time to complain about micro aggressions.

Eventually the bill will come due and people won't care about micro aggressions. They will care about how do I pay my rent/mortgage, how do i get a job, how do I feed my family. If micro aggressions are in your top 5 complaints, your life is awesome compared to most people in the world.
k, that's just full on gaslighting
what do you think happens to unchecked microaggressions?
 

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