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This has actually happened to me before

Also pre pandemic I'm in a fast food place - place my order and I'm waiting, waiting, waiting

Others (Read: White) placed their orders after me yet get their food before me, and it was like 3 or 4 people

I say something. They say they "forgot" about my order, they make it and I get my food

As I'm sitting down eating (Angrily) the SAME EXACT THING happens to another black guy who comes in

Coincidence????
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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Different treatment because of the color of your skin, that's what a Black San Francisco man said happened to him at a San Jose Starbucks. Now the company is apologizing and retraining staff.

"Come straight up to me points to the door and says I need you outside. And at that moment, man, it's embarrassing. It's irritating. Humiliating. Why me?," said Bryce Ward exclusively to ABC7 News.

Starbucks is now apologizing to Ward after he was told to step outside of the coffee shop on Mckee Road in San Jose while he waited for his order to be made.

He said he remained inside the store after two women left, by his logic the store was no longer at capacity.

Ward provided a receipt to ABC7 News showing he was at the store and made the purchase March 15 at approximately 9:30 a.m.

Ward said a manager told him the store was at capacity per Santa Clara County's COVID restrictions so he had to leave.

He said other customers were allowed into the store and he believes he was targeted because he's Black...............

EXCLUSIVE: Starbucks apologizes to Black San Francisco man over alleged incident of discrimination at San Jose store - ABC7 San Francisco (abc7news.com)


 
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the thought question is about the witnesses, not the participants
Yes, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. We can't control the witnesses if they see something that wasn't intended for them. Well, I suppose we can tell them to leave or wait for them to leave. I dunno.
 

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Yes, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. We can't control the witnesses if they see something that wasn't intended for them. Well, I suppose we can tell them to leave or wait for them to leave. I dunno.
you contention seemed to be that if both parties well 'cool' with whatever language/interaction then it was 'all good'
i was offering a scenario where it's not that simple a formula
or we can use the one from a few years ago when boys/teen/men would call each other f** - while the two parties are fine calling each other that word, it can certainly be harmful for some to overhear it, no?
 

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you contention seemed to be that if both parties well 'cool' with whatever language/interaction then it was 'all good'
i was offering a scenario where it's not that simple a formula
or we can use the one from a few years ago when boys/teen/men would call each other f** - while the two parties are fine calling each other that word, it can certainly be harmful for some to overhear it, no?
Of course it would. But I think the example you used didn't really illustrate that to me very well. I think a better example would be one of my kids and her friends constantly calling each other "my n---a". It made me cringe and I told her as much. I haven't heard her say it in a while, so idk if she quit saying it or she's just careful not to say it around me. But yeah, I think this is what you're getting at, right?
 

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So, are you just injecting caffeine in your veins instead?

Seriously, I don't think I could do without a bunch of caffeine in the morning. I'm not a morning person and without the caffeine, I don't think I could function.
I am soooo not a morning person. I'm one of those people that needs some me time in the morning to get adjusted because I just don't wake up well. I never have. It really sucked taking the bus in high school to HC from Metry when I was always the first one on (and the last one off) the bus every day.

For the last several years, I would have my first cup of coffee after a 1+ hour commute, so I was technically starting my day without caffeine. With working from home, I wondered if I could give it up and function. I drink a lot of water and that helps quite a bit. Once I got past the first hour of work, I was (and am) fine. There are still days that I crave it, but I'm too stubborn to give in now. :hihi:
 

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What are some examples of microagression? I'm just trying to picture what that looks like.
I swear I was just thinking about one last night. It happened a couple of years ago but it still rolls around in my head. It still bothers me so damn much.

When my Director is in a good mood, he comes out of his office and makes loud observations about everything. One-liner style. Like a comedian.

He goes down the rows of desks and takes potshots at everyone.

There's an older white lady who's basically a mute. When she speaks, you have to really concentrate to hear her because she mumbles. She only leaves her desk to go to the copier or to lunch. He says about her, "Mary is quiet. She does her work. Doesn’t bother anybody!"

He goes on down the line, giving everyone a hard time about their workplace habits. I sit in the back, so I'm the last one he takes a shot at. He says. "Kizzy just stays at her desk. She doesn't talk to anyone. Kizzy is anti-social."

Wrong. As the saying goes... I'm not ANTI-social, I'm just not social.

Things like that stay with you. You wonder if how he sees you (as anti-social) impacts how he splits up the yearly bonus. Is that how he describes you to others?

Why am I reduced to "anti-social" when I'm just like Mary? I'm quiet... I do my work... I don't bother anybody.
 

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Maybe I wasn't clear when I tried to explain that there are times when everyone has a disagreement with someone that they feel like it is personal, even when there is no overt display. As I was saying, having worked in a service repair shop, I often saw this happening, both from customers & employees and tuned myself to try to empathize with a person and it often worked wonders in customer interactions. Sometimes people were just aholes and you just had to take it. So, I felt like it was a fair question to ask that when a black person has that same feeling that I do of a disagreement being personal, if racism always comes to mind.
I think it's important to point out that Black people have these benign interactions with white people too. We know when something is NOT racially motivated.

We encounter rude, white jerks all the time. And we know their jerkdom has nothing to do with neither of our skin colors.

That's what makes it easier to spot the interactions that are racially motivated. Not saying we're batting 1000. But I bet it's close.

It's the difference between tasting something that's nasty to you vs. something that's spoiled.

You don't assume all nasty dishes are spoiled. But if a restaurant serves you up some spoiled and sour entree, you'll know it. And that's the one we're more likely to hear about.

(Then here come the folks saying. "Well maybe you just don't like shrimp?" Or "Maybe it was cooked differently than how you're used to?" No dude. That ish was rotten.)
 

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I am soooo not a morning person. I'm one of those people that needs some me time in the morning to get adjusted because I just don't wake up well. I never have. It really sucked taking the bus in high school to HC from Metry when I was always the first one on (and the last one off) the bus every day.
I walk into a wall on occasion after I just get up. Like, my brain doesn't understand what's happening. At least twice a week, I stare at my alarm for several seconds trying to convince myself it's only a dream.

Then when the ugly truth hits me, I cry.

"I don't wake up well" should be my middle name.
 

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At least twice a week, I stare at my alarm for several seconds trying to convince myself it's only a dream.
My routine lately is a first alarm to get me out of deep sleep, a second alarm 40 minutes later, and then three 9 minute snoozes before stumbling out of bed.

I feel ya'.
 

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Anyone that enters a Starbucks, should be forgotten about, IMO! LMAO.

Never been in one, never been to a drive thru, never set foot on to any of their property. I live in New Orleans, where coffee has always been around. I do not need an overpriced, over-hyped BS coffee brand from the NW, expecting me to buy their brand. Flavored coffee? Iced coffee? Give me a freaking break.

Anyone who enters and buys from Starbucks, deserves to be mistreated.
 

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Anyone that enters a Starbucks, should be forgotten about, IMO! LMAO.

Never been in one, never been to a drive thru, never set foot on to any of their property. I live in New Orleans, where coffee has always been around. I do not need an overpriced, over-hyped BS coffee brand from the NW, expecting me to buy their brand. Flavored coffee? Iced coffee? Give me a freaking break.

Anyone who enters and buys from Starbucks, deserves to be mistreated.
I would love to hear your thoughts on other things you have no experience with
 

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