Talib, Manningham Tested Positive for Marijuana Multiple Times in College (1 Viewer)

Come on guys... If we condemned every football player that has smoked pot in college or had a perceived attitude problem.... there would be about enough players left over to field a practice squad.... and the University of Miami would have to shutdown completely.

Be real.
 
Outside of exposing minors to it, NOTHING. In fact in cases of extremely violent offenders and types with a propensity of violence an argeument could be made that is is therapeutic. In fact, a Harvard review by top PHD's in psycology and addiction found it could be therapeuitic for the average guy toughing out the stress of life in general.

I don't buy the arguement of would you want your doctor stoned during surgery or your pilot,bus driver,school teacher or whomever else you could point to in a position of public trust/safety stoned while doing their job? Treat it like booze! I wouldn't want them drunk either. In fact, if I HAD to choose between someone like that being stoned or drunk I'd probably take the former rather than the later.

One other thing... there wouldn't be much crime involved with Pot if not for its illegal status. The prison time and risk involved to bring it to market is what drives the danger and the money. If anyone that wanted to grow it responsibly were allowed to do so it would be cheap as dirt. We wouldn't see state governments going broke trying to house pot smokers.

As far the gateway drug thing. Booze and cigarettes are just as culpable to moving up to harder. The arguement that keeping it illegal stops that makes no sense. How much success has that program met with? Not much if any at all. To me, much like prohibition, keeping it illegal actually creates more crime and harm than treating it like booze with one great exception. You can't grow booze in you window.

Agreed on every point.

Which leads me back to my problem all together.

At the end of the day, teams are looking for "character concerns."

And at the root of this law, it has absolutely no relation to a persons character.

IMHO, moral fiber is based upon your personal actions as they relate to the safety of others.

If a kid isn't fighting in clubs, having shootouts with rivals, or putting innocent lives at risk, then I consider you a good person.

I've never heard of someone going crazy on pot, or endangering others becasue of it.

I agree fully though, if kept out the job, and out of the reach of kids (just like any medicine or drug), there is no reason for such scrutiny of anyone, not just athletes.

Imagine how many people have lost jobs or been thrown in jail, based off of a law that has very little, if any moral standing.
 
Come on guys... If we condemned every football player that has smoked pot in college or had a perceived attitude problem.... there would be about enough players left over to field a practice squad.... and the University of Miami would have to shutdown completely.

Be real.

Oh them Hurricanes. Now those guys are bad in an outward way. Half of them cshould probably be prescribed pot as an antipsychotic therapy.
 
Come on guys... If we condemned every football player that has smoked pot in college or had a perceived attitude problem.... there would be about enough players left over to field a practice squad.... and the University of Miami would have to shutdown completely.

Be real.

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:spanka: Closest smilie I can find to it. I never smoked a "j" in my life and I never will. And for those who might be quick to jump at me, I am a cured alcoholic. Not recovering, cured. Even so, alcohol messed with me and I paid for my addiction to it. That's what happens.

There are consequences to our actions. All people need to be taught this and remember it always. Now, Manningham and Talib may be over this (if so, good for them and I hope they have great careers), but have you forgotten Ricky Williams already (not to mention George Rogers, Chuck Muncie, and Reggie Sutton who had even worse drug problems)? Potheads generally are trouble in the locker room and, if not right away, eventually on the field as well.


And the said priests and pastors should be arrested. And that president should have been impeached. Had he worked for any corporation in America, he'd have been fired without severance on the spot. It may be a "passe" saying, but it's still true: "Two wrongs don't make a right." Just because someone gets away with something doesn't mean he should have gotten away with it, nor that he won't end up paying for it in the long run.

How many NFL players have used pot that we don't know about? Ricky was the extreme example of what can happen, but Ricky was a headcase; he seemed to NEED pot. It was a lifestyle drug for him, as opposed to a recreational drug. Since you've never done it, you can't speak firsthand on its effects and since you don't know everyone who may or may not have used it, you can't really say how the bulk of the people who use it affect their teams. Plus, we're talking about college; kids are young and stupid and easily swayed. It's not to excuse them, but there are a lot more pot smokers in football than we know about and don't need to because it's not a problem for them or their teams.

p.s. Good on you for kicking the booze.
 
I understand that, I just think its the most hypocritical of all laws and judemnets.

For example:

I could be smoke a pack of cig's a day, and be a raging alcholic. But if I could fill out an application and have a good interview, I'd be deemed tailor made for a job.

I could be the smartest man alive, and be deemed unsuiatable for failing a urine test.

Yet cigs are poisonous, and every day innocent lives are at risk due to drunk drivers.

I mean I know this topic is rather plolitical as opposed to sports related, it just kills me at the mindstates of some who think they've figured a kid out because they've done pot.

Hey: Preist malest kids.
Pastors have baby mommas
And Presidents get bj's.

As said earlier, "Cast the first stone."

Not only are cigs (and booze to a lessor degree) poisonous they are a scurge on our social programs for the needy. Here's how it goes, and I'm not talking about poor old souls but prosperous, working-class insured American men and women: Smoke all their adult lives and younger; Develop terminal illness; Treat it until your insurance caps and you are no longer covered; Move over to the medicare rolls whereby the medical industry keeps you alive beyond a resonable expectation because US Government tax dollars foot the bill.

10 trillion in debt and counting yet we spend hundreds of millions of dollars policing and prosecutiong pot crimes when over 100,000 Americans are injured or killed by professional medical and medicine mistakes in hospitals and in prescription regimines. Even more money is being lavished on politicians by the root of a bigger problem: the cigarette and pharmaceutical industries.

Another thing. Ricky Williams did nothing to get in trouble. The piss test revealed his "problem".
 
Being that it is a business it involves money. I does not matter how many people smoke it, whether it is right or wrong, whether it should be a law or not.

The bottom line is it is a criteria for a profession to be clean. If you can not be clean for drug test, than it sends up red flags. Sure these guys can give it up in the NFL, so I am not trying to project what type of choices they will make.

Think about it like this though. Suppose you were a CEO for a multi-billion dollar business and you were interviewing for a high paying job. Candidate X has an arrest for money laundering and candidate Y has a clean record. Even if X is a bit more qualified, who would you hire? Pot may not be a serious offense to the general public, but for the NFL it is that serious and in this conversation that is all that matters.
 
Being that it is a business it involves money. I does not matter how many people smoke it, whether it is right or wrong, whether it should be a law or not.

The bottom line is it is a criteria for a profession to be clean. If you can not be clean for drug test, than it sends up red flags. Sure these guys can give it up in the NFL, so I am not trying to project what type of choices they will make.

Think about it like this though. Suppose you were a CEO for a multi-billion dollar business and you were interviewing for a high paying job. Candidate X has an arrest for money laundering and candidate Y has a clean record. Even if X is a bit more qualified, who would you hire? Pot may not be a serious offense to the general public, but for the NFL it is that serious and in this conversation that is all that matters.

I agree. The NFL is an elite club with its own rules. You wanna be a member than follow the rules. I do, however, disagree with the rule. Steroids or performance enhancing, life threatening types of drugs being tested are legit but not pot. IMO.
 
Talib in the 2nd! Yeah, I said it.

May he who has never lied about smoking pot while they were young cast the first stone.

I would have said Talib in the 2nd before these accusations, but now...I wouldn't touch him until the 3rd. Sorry, but some character concerns can be overlooked...smoking dope is an addiction and with alot of money hard to overcome. Honestly I didn't like Talib before, I know he's an athlete but he doesn't fit the mold to me, and he looks to jittery in his movements. Looks more like a free safety would look in corner drills. Of course there is a Talib nation that believes he is the #1 CB prospect. I have him as the #6 CB prospect before these accusations:

McKelvin, DRC, Jenkins, Flowers, Cason, Talib, Porter
 
I'd take Ellis at 7 and Talib at 40 and call it a night. His issues may be a concern if you plan to draft him in the first but once he hit the second round, drafting this kid would be a no brainer. These issues are linked to maturity and if he is truly mature now that he has his daughter, it's really worth the risk.
 
Being that it is a business it involves money. I does not matter how many people smoke it, whether it is right or wrong, whether it should be a law or not.

The bottom line is it is a criteria for a profession to be clean. If you can not be clean for drug test, than it sends up red flags. Sure these guys can give it up in the NFL, so I am not trying to project what type of choices they will make.

Think about it like this though. Suppose you were a CEO for a multi-billion dollar business and you were interviewing for a high paying job. Candidate X has an arrest for money laundering and candidate Y has a clean record. Even if X is a bit more qualified, who would you hire? Pot may not be a serious offense to the general public, but for the NFL it is that serious and in this conversation that is all that matters.


Problem,

Money laundering invovles stealing something valuable from an unsuspecting person.

Which is morally wrong.

I dont think people who smoke ciggarets or drink responsibly are bad people. As long as you act, without hurting or intentioanlly doing wrong to others, then I consider you a good person.

Peoples private lives, (especially concerning themselves) are way to overblown, and should not be made public, if no one else is being harmed.

If everyone, everywhere, had to confess with they did within the walls and comfort of their homes, we would all be considered less desreving or our occupational positions.

Again, if what you do, has no adverse affect on someone else, then I consider you a decent person.

Think about it,

Pornography is a billion dollar industry, and not because the world is filled with sex-crazed "single" people.

Imagine if employers, screened personal computers to see if u had ever watch such a "disgusting" (lol) acts. Boy, the world as we know it would be in shambles.

Just saying

What is private should remain problem as long as no one is being done harm.
 
Didn't seem to hurt Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams or Amobi Okoye. :rasta:

Well there is a difference, perhaps even a double standard, because of the situations. Those guys (unless I am mistaken) never tested positive, the merely admitted to smoking pot. Talib on the other hand failed administered tests (tests he likely knew were coming and as a result people question his decision making).
 

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