Taysom Hill's performance last night (and how it compares to Bridgewater's) (1 Viewer)

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Like everyone on here (it appears) I was extremely pleased with Taysom Hill's performance last night. And before we even get into the technical aspects, the first thing that always stands out about him when he's on the field is his mental/physical toughness and what a competitor he is. He brings those key intangibles to the table not just as a QB but as a football player.

From a coaching perspective, what I enjoyed seeing was the level of improvement his QB play has undergone since last year.
--He has really improved his pocket presence, his progressions, and his timing and ball placement down the field.
--He managed each drive very well and followed the old adage of 'taking what the defense gave him,' throwing away from the conflict defender and checking down when his progressions dictated.
--His placement on the wheel route to Austin Carr on the TD, for example, showed how he has matured as a passer, as the ball was delivered on time and placed properly vs. a cover 2 shell (he delivered a 2-ball to the hole between the flat defender and deep half player, whereas in the past I think he's still trying to touch that ball over the top to the back pylon in that situation).
--He is standing tall on the balls of his feet with his eyes down the field in his drop backs, and he is going through full-field progressions. And he has a really nice delivery.
--His improved pocket presence means that he is using his legs more as a weapon in his arsenal, rather than his primary method of making plays. This makes him exponentially more dangerous if and when he needs to play as an every down QB rather than a gadget player.

His performance was overwhelmingly positive, but as I think it is an emotional reaction to anoint him as the clear #2 QB over Bridgewater:
--From what I could see, Bridgewater appeared to be trusted with more command of the offense during his snaps than Hill. He was making more checks at the line, using more motions and shifts, and commanding a larger pie of the system.
--For example, I did not see Hill running any quick game or timing/spacing plays. This is a centerpiece of the Saints' offense. Along with the checks, audibles, and formationing (shifts and motions), this is what the Saints use to dictate tempo to a defense, establish a
rhythm, and open up the other aspects of their game.
--Every pass play that Hill ran was either play-action or true drop back. As I said, he performed very well on these plays, made good decisions, and I think only had 2 negative plays (the two sacks).
--But being an NFL QB for 60+ snaps a game requires a lot more. It is hard to quantify in percentages how much of the offense was actually used when Hill was in there (I am not only talking about play variation, but the level of freedom he was given presnap to make decisions and put the offense in the correct position), but it was clearly less than what Bridgewater was given.
--So while it appeared that Bridgewater played less efficiently or made more mistakes, he was asked to essentially run the offense as Brees runs it... as most starting NFL QBs run it. So I think it is a little premature to compare the play of the two QBs, especially once you factor in the nature of preseason football (the level of schematic challenge they are actually receiving from the opposing defense).


Personally speaking--strictly on an aesthetic level (if that phrase can be applied here lol)--I prefer Taysom Hill. I love his physical skills, his toughness, and I do expect more from Bridgewater at this point, given his QB pedigree... and he has a really funky release that I think leads to some bad ball placement. And I want to reiterate that Hill did EXACTLY what he was asked to do last night, and that is all a player can do. Pointing out these aforementioned differences is not a negative review of him, I give him a solid A for his performance last night whereas I would give Bridgewater a B-/C+.

However, as a coach, I can appreciate the fact that Taysom Hill is probably still a gadget player in the mind of the coaches. I am not saying he shouldn't be given the chance to be the heir to Brees... or even that he isn't being considered as such. But watching the 2 halves of the game last night, it was clear who was being asked to command more of the Saints' offense, and that was Bridgewater. And I am sure there is a reason for that.
 
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If the regular season started tomorrow and Drew Brees were unable to play, the far-and-away most likely scenario is that Bridgewater would be the starting QB and Hill would retain the same role he has when Drew Brees is the starter, with perhaps a few more snaps at QB than he has with Drew Brees in the game.

I could be wrong (maybe there is a quote from Hill somewhere contradicting what I am about to say), but I don't think he is unhappy with his role on the team. Maybe we as fans are projecting our desire that he take more snaps as a conventional QB because he is such an exciting player to watch with the ball in his hands, and we know that the time is coming when Drew Brees will hang up the pads.

But the fact of the matter is that Taysom Hill is getting a lot more snaps in his current role than he would as the "backup QB". Can he be both gadget player and #2 QB? Of course. But the notion that he's out the door if he doesn't get that I think is us projecting a bit. I have had a few QB's who were great all-around football players, guys who could just as easily take snaps at DE or WR as they could take snaps from center. There is always that desire in the back of their mind to just "play ball"... to run around and make tackles, catch passes, etc. It's fun for them, and in Taysom Hill I see a guy living the QB dream... someone who is having fun and who, to be quite honest, would not be seeing the field and may have never made it off of anyone's practice squad if he didn't have Sean Payton as a HC.

I have a really good feeling about his development at QB, like what I've seen, but the offense would need to be fundamentally changed if he became a full-time starter (which is not the end of the world at all). But in Bridgewater, I think the coaches see a guy who is more ready to plug into the current system, which is very demanding of the signal-caller. For now, I'll just continue to be excited about what Payton has cooked up every time #7 steps on the field.
 
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I will say that I don't like the disruption that TH brings to the flow of the offense when Drew is replaced under center with him especially on 1st and 2nd downs. Third/forth down short yardage situation I can see it but I hate to see the ball put in TH hands when DB is one of the all time great passers.

Having said that, TH is an intrigue. IF he grows into a better pocket passer, with his athleticism and competitive nature, I don't see how Teddy gets the nod post Drew.
 

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Taysom has also shown improvement with accuracy and touch. It's even been evident in the QB challenge games they have at the end of practice. The reads and progressions seem to have slowed down for him as well. Putting great touch and accuracy on passes gives RB's, WR's and TE's a ball that is catch-able and allows them to make moves and gain yards after the catch. Too much zip when you don't need it leads to turnovers.
 

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Do you guys feel that the incomplete pass from TH to Butler on the first third down was thrown too hard. It looked like it blew through Butler's hand and hit his face guard. Not sure how to view that incompletion. Was it thrown too hard or was it all on Butler?
 
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Do you guys feel that the incomplete pass from TH to Butler on the first third down was thrown too hard. It looked like it blew through Butler's hand and hit his face guard. Not sure how to view that incompletion. Was it thrown too hard or was it all on Butler?
Butler had time to turn and look. Went right thru his hands and hit him in the face, that's on him.
 

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Butler had time to turn and look. Went right thru his hands and hit him in the face, that's on him.
My initial reaction was the same. It looked like Butler was anticipating a change up and got a fastball. An experienced WR may take into consideration that TH throws a higher velocity ball than DB/TB. Probably more of a repetition thing at this point between OB and WR. I have heard so many great things about Butler and his ability to catch. It just seemed that on that pass he looked like an UDFA and not the camp beast.
 

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There's a part of me that likes the idea of having a different QB style than Drew Brees after his eventual departure. The 'pro' reasoning on this is that such a QB will be less likely to be compared to Drew's incredible passing stats and records. There will never be another Drew Brees. But obviously we will still need a guy who can move the offense down the field and put up the numbers that really count... those on the scoreboard. Taysom Hill may develop the skill set to do that consistently without relying on duplicating Drew-like stats.

Of course the real 'con' in this regard is that we have an offense built around having a pocket passer with a line to protect a guy in that role. As exciting as he is to watch on a big scramble, he will have to learn to avoid taking (and giving) the number of hits that he does, or he won't be anyone's QB for very long. I'm not sure how long Payton could deal with having his heart in his throat each time his starting QB takes off running.
 

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I really liked what I saw from Hill, and am willing to give Bridgewater a pass for his play due to his playing rather ill.

I will say this... if as one of the announcers stated is true, and Payton really feels like Taysom could be the next Steve Young, then you can believe that Hill will be given every opportunity to prove it here, and Payton will do everything he can to keep Hill in New Orleans moving forward until he gets his chance.

I am really pulling for Hill because I really enjoy the exciting brand of Football that he brings to the table.

Another thing that I am excited about is seeing TCUDan posting between seasons in his own coaching career. :9:
 

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I really liked what I saw from Hill, and am willing to give Bridgewater a pass for his play due to his playing rather ill.

I will say this... if as one of the announcers stated is true, and Payton really feels like Taysom could be the next Steve Young, then you can believe that Hill will be given every opportunity to prove it here, and Payton will do everything he can to keep Hill in New Orleans moving forward until he gets his chance.

I am really pulling for Hill because I really enjoy the exciting brand of Football that he brings to the table.

Another thing that I am excited about is seeing TCUDan posting between seasons in his own coaching career. :9:
Payton likes Hill, there's no doubt about that. For sure Sean is going to have to believe that Hill can pull off the same kind of performances that Young once did to put his own reputation as a great head coach on the line. Hill will have to prove he is no fluke. And I'm sure that he will be given the chance to show his stuff.
 

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I've asked this before and I already know the logical answer is "no way," but Sean Payton is a true offensive genius. Is there any way SP could develop a 2 QB platoon system with Teddy and Hill?
 

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I've asked this before and I already know the logical answer is "no way," but Sean Payton is a true offensive genius. Is there any way SP could develop a 2 QB platoon system with Teddy and Hill?
I think he could do it, but it is a lot harder for the fanbase to get behind unless there is instant success with our offense working in that mode.

As soon as we lose a game due to a poor performance by either guy, the fans will be screaming for the coach to sit that 'bum' in favor of the other guy full time. That's just how the fans work.
 

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Do you guys feel that the incomplete pass from TH to Butler on the first third down was thrown too hard. It looked like it blew through Butler's hand and hit his face guard. Not sure how to view that incompletion. Was it thrown too hard or was it all on Butler?
I got the impression that Butler just didn't locate the ball in flight, until too late. Hence straight through his hands to facemask.
 

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Thank you for your analysis! The one thing I've noticed about Hill is that he still stares down a receiver, or at least one half of the field, more than he ought. I think running qbs are used to that idea--look at your first couple of options, then take off. He could stand to be more patient, I think, but he's getting better.
 
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What we need is to fuse Taysom and Teddy into one being. Taysom’s athleticism and intangibles with Teddy’s intelligence.
Did you listen to Taysom in the post game dissecting the first TD pass? There is no doubt about his intellect. Payton on several occasions has praised Taysom's quick grasp of plays and concepts. He isn't just learning the play book from a QB's perspective. He has to learn and keep straight in his head the same plays for multiple positions. No easy task. I don't think he needs any help in the brain department. His college grades and degree also attest to his intellect.
 

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