Team defense thru 12 games.. (1 Viewer)

[Igordão]

Our defense still stinks.

Dennis Allen is still horrible and needs to be fired. Our "good run of form" is vastly inflated by playing some of the worst offenses in the league. SF, DEN, CAR, LA Rams, KC, & SEA.

The worst part of all of this is knowing Dennis Allen will still have a job here next year. The defense "appears" to be good enough to not fire Allen, and we will waste yet another year of Brees. The door is shutting. We probably have 2 years left until it is completely close, and the FO won't make the tough decisions.

If you really believe that you should also say that our defensive numbers are deflated by playing some of the top offenses in the league. ATL, SD, OAK and DET. Also, Car can be explosive at times.

 

[VPCajun]

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Funny how the Chiefs, Falcons, and the Raiders have statistically worse defense than ours through 12 games but are ahead of us in the standings... Makes me kinda mad that we were very close to winning at least 3 of our games that we lost... lost opportunities... smh..

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Try Pts/Game - it ain't so rosy!

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[faceman]

The issue with looking at PPG is that it is not a accurate statistic, when you are looking at PPG and using it to rank a defensive unit. Our offense and special teams have hurt us a lot this year, so the stats are a bit skewed.

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Yep, it's been said many times,but some fans want to rank defenses on points allowed. Pick sixes,fumble returns for Td's,punt and kickoff returns
for Td's,and blocked Fg's returned for Td's are points allowed. A teams defense is not responsible for any of those. The NFL ranks defenses in total
yards given up for good reason.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Yep, it's been said many times,but some fans want to rank defenses on points allowed. Pick sixes,fumble returns for Td's,punt and kickoff returns
for Td's,and blocked Fg's returned for Td's are points allowed. A teams defense is not responsible for any of those. The NFL ranks defenses in total
yards given up for good reason.

So what you are saying, howbeit indirectly, is points allowed per game is a team stat... and not just a defensive unit stat.

What better way could there possibly be to evaluate your total team's ability to limit your opponents' scoring than points allowed per game?

FWIW, defensive yards allowed per game in junk time skew the significance of yards allowed per game. Considering all the analytical tools available to those who love to review film and crunch the numbers, it's now considered a lazy way to rank teams defensively.

Look into footballoutsiders.com defensive DVOA analysis. They evaluate every snap for down and distance, and they factor in the opponent's effectiveness in defending plays... all measured against the league average.

They assign a % better or worse than the league average... annd they do that for offense, for defense, and for special teams. Positive % for offense and negative % for defense indicate the team is performing better than the league average. Conversely, the opposite is true.

The stat is Total DVOA, which stands for Defense-adjusted Value Over Average for all three phases of the game.

And they also assign a Weighted DVOA that takes into account how each team has been performing recently, assigning more weight to more recent games.

The Saints are currently ranked #11 in Total DVOA, #11 in Weighted DVOA, #5 offensively, #25 defensively and #26 for special teams.

DVOA explained here for those wanting to learn more about it

 

[blackadder]

So what you are saying, howbeit indirectly, is points allowed per game is a team stat... and not just a defensive unit stat.

What better way could there possibly be to evaluate your total team's ability to limit your opponents' scoring than points allowed per game?

FWIW, defensive yards allowed per game in junk time skew the significance of yards allowed per game. Considering all the analytical tools available to those who love to review film and crunch the numbers, it's now considered a lazy way to rank teams defensively.

Look into footballoutsiders.com defensive DVOA analysis. They evaluate every snap for down and distance, and they factor in the opponent's effectiveness in defending plays... all measured against the league average.

They assign a % better or worse than the league average... annd they do that for offense, for defense, and for special teams. Positive % for offense and negative % for defense indicate the team is performing better than the league average. Conversely, the opposite is true.

The stat is Total DVOA, which stands for Defense-adjusted Value Over Average for all three phases of the game.

And they also assign a Weighted DVOA that takes into account how each team has been performing recently, assigning more weight to more recent games.

The Saints are currently ranked #11 in Total DVOA, #11 in Weighted DVOA, #5 offensively, #25 defensively and #26 for special teams.

DVOA explained here for those wanting to learn more about it

So, in other words, the program remains severely imbalanced towards offense as it always has been.

Take Brees out of the equation and that overall number plummets immediately, which is why we really really really have to get substantially better on the other two phases to NOT be a laughing stock of an organization, because the offense is going to fall off when Brees is gone, just a question of how much.

Somehow the other phases have to pick up the slack. There's been too much complacency on just riding Brees.

 

[renegadewa]

So, in other words, the program remains severely imbalanced towards offense as it always has been.

Take Brees out of the equation and that overall number plummets immediately, which is why we really really really have to get substantially better on the other two phases to NOT be a laughing stock of an organization, because the offense is going to fall off when Brees is gone, just a question of how much.

Somehow the other phases have to pick up the slack. There's been too much complacency on just riding Brees.

The Saints haven't been a "laughingstock for a long time now.

You ask any team that they play and they will tell you that to beat the Saints you'd better be on your best behavior!!

No one takes the Saints lightly anymore and haven't for a long time.

 

[blackadder]

The Saints haven't been a "laughingstock for a long time now.

You ask any team that they play and they will tell you that to beat the Saints you'd better be on your best behavior!!

No one takes the Saints lightly anymore and haven't for a long time.

I'm talking about where it would go, and where it would have been the last 5 years or so if you simply removed Brees and replaced him with the kind of mediocre QB that most of the league has to rely on.

Imagine all else the same and no Brees. Instead of 7-9 that becomes 3-13 or worse pretty quickly.