The Electric Vehicle (EV) discussion thread (Merged) (2 Viewers)

[boutrous]

Good, the more Chinese companies show themselves to be unreliable business partners, the less business they’ll get from overseas companies. I wonder if there is a tracker that shows a companies Chinese exposure as a risk to investors.

Agreed. The sooner we realize China is unreliable, the faster we just need to build stuff overselves again. Why can't we build microchips and batteries?

 

[DaveXA]

Agreed. The sooner we realize China is unreliable, the faster we just need to build stuff overselves again. Why can't we build microchips and batteries?

Money...that is all.

 

[Infoman]

Agreed. The sooner we realize China is unreliable, the faster we just need to build stuff overselves again. Why can't we build microchips and batteries?

 

[boutrous]

Money...that is all.

Well we need to stop giving it to corrupt governments just in the name of money. We vote for sheetty leaders just because they promise to lower taxes, and then justify all the sheetty things they do because our check was a little higher. We buy goods from other countries that create them off the backs of unregulated labor just so we can save on prices at the store. We have really come to turn a blind eye on decency just to save a buck.

 

[Zztop]

A friend of mine shared with me this morning that because his Tesla had a salvaged title the option to Super Charge his car battery was shut off. Is this normal? Is there a work around?

hmm not exactly the same scenario, but I've read similar things. Tesla can remotely lock out certain features via software and/or offer to unlock or upgrade your vehicle for a certain fee.

Tesla locks 80 miles of customer’s battery range for $4,500 ransom

Tesla tried to force a customer to pay $4,500 ransom over 80 miles of range that the company software-locked in his battery pack. The automaker only started to walk back on the strategy to squeeze $4,500 out of its customers after an uproar on social media. Tesla used to sell Model S vehicles...

electrek.co

 

[Zztop]

Agreed. The sooner we realize China is unreliable, the faster we just need to build stuff overselves again. Why can't we build microchips and batteries?

Well we need to stop giving it to corrupt governments just in the name of money. We vote for sheetty leaders just because they promise to lower taxes, and then justify all the sheetty things they do because our check was a little higher. We buy goods from other countries that create them off the backs of unregulated labor just so we can save on prices at the store. We have really come to turn a blind eye on decency just to save a buck.

well on the other side of things, you have companies threatening to move their business overseas unless the gov't gives them massive subsidies and tax breaks. I guess good news for some is this just passed. Also this won't change anything in the near-term, maybe in 3 to 5-ish years you might see a difference.

U.S. Senate passes bill to boost chip manufacturing, compete with China

The U.S. Senate on Wednesday passed sweeping legislation to subsidize the domestic semiconductor industry, hoping to boost companies as they compete with China and alleviate a persistent shortage that has affected everything from cars, weapons, washing machines and video games.

www.reuters.com

The "Chips and Science" act provides about $52 billion in government subsidies for U.S. semiconductor production and an investment tax credit for chip plants estimated to be worth $24 billion.

 

[Terrence]

Well we need to stop giving it to corrupt governments just in the name of money. We vote for sheetty leaders just because they promise to lower taxes, and then justify all the sheetty things they do because our check was a little higher. We buy goods from other countries that create them off the backs of unregulated labor just so we can save on prices at the store. We have really come to turn a blind eye on decency just to save a buck.

I agree. But...

Consumers are an issue as well. We love to tell others about our special deals we won, and finding more for cheap. This leads the industry to cut cost and rinse and repeat. We consumers have to be willing to pay for the higher embedded cost from higher labor rates.

 

[Tapxe]

2024 Chevy Corvette E-Ray Prototype Destroyed By Fire During Spanish Tests | Carscoops

It is reported that the 2024 Chevy Corvette E-Ray's fire started in the engine bay

www.carscoops.com

 

[Tapxe]

I think someone on this thread SC500 maybe had one of these.

Another Jaguar I-Pace Goes Up In Smoke While Parked | Carscoops

The fire resulted in the total loss of the electric crossover

www.carscoops.com

 

[DavidM]

Agreed. The sooner we realize China is unreliable, the faster we just need to build stuff overselves again. Why can't we build microchips and batteries?

The Taylor, TX (Austin metro) facility is expected to be operational sometime in 2024. There are reports of Samsung making a much larger investment but some of that extends pretty far out into the future.

Samsung to build $17bn semiconductor factory in Texas

Group’s biggest single US investment comes amid global chip shortage and related national security concerns

www.theguardian.com

Samsung Eyes $200 Billion Expansion of Chip Plants in Texas

Samsung Electronics Co. is floating the idea of a broad expansion of semiconductor manufacturing facilities in Texas, a possibly significant step in bolstering domestic capabilities at a time of rising concern over US vulnerabilities.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[superchuck500]

I think someone on this thread SC500 maybe had one of these.

Another Jaguar I-Pace Goes Up In Smoke While Parked | Carscoops

The fire resulted in the total loss of the electric crossover

www.carscoops.com

Yep - and mine is white too.

I’ll see if I can find out more on the ipace boards.

 

[Zztop]

Volkswagen's US-made 2023 ID.4 EV will start at $37,495 | Engadget

VW has revealed that the 2023 ID.4 EV will cost less than last year's model while packing some meaningful upgrades..

www.engadget.com

$37,495 uses a new 62kWh battery that musters an estimated 208 miles of range

The $42,495 ID.4 Pro upgrades to an 82kWh battery with an estimated 275-mile range and 170kW DC fast charging

 

[Penguin]

$37,495 uses a new 62kWh battery that musters an estimated 208 miles of range

The $42,495 ID.4 Pro upgrades to an 82kWh battery with an estimated 275-mile range and 170kW DC fast charging

I've narrowed my selection to either the ID.4 or the Ioniq. Love the Rivian, but I cannot justify spending that much on a truck.

 

[Rickboy]

I've narrowed my selection to either the ID.4 or the Ioniq. Love the Rivian, but I cannot justify spending that much on a truck.

It is quite pricey. Especially after the March 1st price increases. The reality of the matter is that the R1T starts at $79500. There is a more basic, dual motor, version planned that will start at $67500, but it won't be available until 2024 at the earliest.

I ordered mine before the price increases. It's still $80K but mine will be very well equipped.

 

[Penguin]

It is quite pricey. Especially after the March 1st price increases. The reality of the matter is that the R1T starts at $79500. There is a more basic, dual motor, version planned that will start at $67500, but it won't be available until 2024 at the earliest.

I ordered mine before the price increases. It's still $80K but mine will be very well equipped.

I gathered from getting caught up on this tread. SR hasn't been on my priority list for a while but now I am back. SOOOO much to get caught up on.

I'm tempted to pull the trigger on a '22 ID.4 AWD Pro that the ABQ dealer has, but I hate the color. But they are offering $41k trade value on my Tacoma. I paid $39k for it 19 months ago.