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Brees can't throw an NFL 15 yard out. We saw it on 2 plays in a row where he lobbed the ball to the sideline. He can't throw the ball down the field unless a guy is open by 10 yards. He doesn't trust himself to get it there, and he won't even try. When we crucify our receivers we need to remember this. Some WRs have to run routes more than 15 yards down the field on any given play. But they won't be getting thrown to because of Drew's arm strength.

By the time we get to the playoffs, some team will shut down the short passes and the run, and we won't be able to take advantage on 15 yards and deeper opportunities. And then if the defense doesn't carry us, we will be out again.
 

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So what do you think the solution is?
Catch the balls we do throw downfield. Drew is not and cannot be the Drew of a decade ago, but he is still more than capable. Also, run the ball. It’s what we did in 09, coupled with an opportunistic D.
Dang. I didn’t get to see the post you quoted as it’s gone. Lol
 
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None of them helped rebuild a city and possibly saved their team from moving away.
He absolutely did do that, and Who Dat Nation will always love him for it. But we have to separate the past from the present and future in these decisions. Current performance and winning is all that matters. He seems to be performing at a high level, but there has a noticeable decline the last couple of years, and it can be sudden and very rapid at age 41-42 like Manning or Brady as we see now. The Saints have to weigh his ability to perform and his longevity. Keeping Drew and Teddy would be ideal, but I don't see how we can pay them enough to keep both with the offers that will come from other teams. Is another year or two of Drew worth losing Teddy who is only 27 and could be our future franchise of the next decade? Can Drew still perform at a high enough level to justify that? What happens when Drew retires and we don't have Teddy or Drew?
 

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He absolutely did do that, and Who Dat Nation will always love him for it. But we have to separate the past from the present and future in these decisions. Current performance and winning is all that matters. He seems to be performing at a high level, but there has a noticeable decline the last couple of years, and it can be sudden and very rapid at age 41-42 like Manning or Brady as we see now. The Saints have to weigh his ability to perform and his longevity. Keeping Drew and Teddy would be ideal, but I don't see how we can pay them enough to keep both with the offers that will come from other teams. Is another year or two of Drew worth losing Teddy who is only 27 and could be our future franchise of the next decade? Can Drew still perform at a high enough level to justify that? What happens when Drew retires and we don't have Teddy or Drew?
The point of me saying that was totally missed by you.

That comment was in response to a person saying that other qbs meant just as much to their fan bases and teams as Drew has to Ours.

Sime of the players mentioned in his post were laughable. Drew is clearly the greatest player to ever play for the Saints [not to even mention the off field stuff] and no one else is even close.

Some of the players mentioned in the post:

Manning - arguably the greatest Colt ever but there are legit players to bring to that discussion.

Farve - may not even be the best qb to ever play for the packers. Other non qb positions have players that may have been better or meant more to that team.

Montana - Rice or Young might have something to say about the greatest 49er.

Smith - if wr are talking about 49er Smith then see Montana... KC Smith then thats a Joke because I was in KC and most of the fans couldnt wait to replace him.

Flacco- Comparing Brees to Flacco. Flacco wasnt even close to the best player on his team. Maybe not even top 5 on his team when he played.

Brees is the ultimate competitor but more than that He is a smart and caring person. He has already started preparing for life after football. Brees will stop playing when he either simply wants to do something else or he feels he can no longer help the team win games.

As a fan base we need to enjoy the time left we have with him as our QB. That doesnt mean not prepare for the future. However some of the post her are absurbd at best. To say that Brees cant hit a wr downfield unless he is 10 yards open is flat out wrong. To say that he cant hit a 15 yard out route is just flat out wrong. To say these things are hard truth shows a total lack of understanding of football and what truth really is.

The truth is we are the 1st team to clinch a home playoff game this season. The truth is Drew has better command of this offense than Teddy and puts us in the best possible chance to win. The Truth is Drew is still playing at a high level maybe not his highest level but still at a level that is better than most NFL QBs.

The truth is Drew has probably meant more to this team and city than almost any other player in NFL history.


Thr truth is that we as fans need to enjoy every minute we have left with Drew as our QB.
 

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The point of me saying that was totally missed by you.

That comment was in response to a person saying that other qbs meant just as much to their fan bases and teams as Drew has to Ours.

Sime of the players mentioned in his post were laughable. Drew is clearly the greatest player to ever play for the Saints [not to even mention the off field stuff] and no one else is even close.

Some of the players mentioned in the post:

Manning - arguably the greatest Colt ever but there are legit players to bring to that discussion.

Farve - may not even be the best qb to ever play for the packers. Other non qb positions have players that may have been better or meant more to that team.

Montana - Rice or Young might have something to say about the greatest 49er.

Smith - if wr are talking about 49er Smith then see Montana... KC Smith then thats a Joke because I was in KC and most of the fans couldnt wait to replace him.

Flacco- Comparing Brees to Flacco. Flacco wasnt even close to the best player on his team. Maybe not even top 5 on his team when he played.

Brees is the ultimate competitor but more than that He is a smart and caring person. He has already started preparing for life after football. Brees will stop playing when he either simply wants to do something else or he feels he can no longer help the team win games.

As a fan base we need to enjoy the time left we have with him as our QB. That doesnt mean not prepare for the future. However some of the post her are absurbd at best. To say that Brees cant hit a wr downfield unless he is 10 yards open is flat out wrong. To say that he cant hit a 15 yard out route is just flat out wrong. To say these things are hard truth shows a total lack of understanding of football and what truth really is.

The truth is we are the 1st team to clinch a home playoff game this season. The truth is Drew has better command of this offense than Teddy and puts us in the best possible chance to win. The Truth is Drew is still playing at a high level maybe not his highest level but still at a level that is better than most NFL QBs.

The truth is Drew has probably meant more to this team and city than almost any other player in NFL history.


Thr truth is that we as fans need to enjoy every minute we have left with Drew as our QB.

I fly in for every home game because I want my family to see the GOAT, #9. After He is gone, chances are we will not make as many games. Appreciate what we are witnessing brothers and sisters!!!
 

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While defensiveness is rampant and out of control on this thread, I can understand that, but I think some of you should take it easy with the personal insults...

I for one and not rooting for Drew's demise or besmirching his career, quite the contrary, I've said repeatedly he's a Top 5 all-time QB who does not get his due, and is a superior QB to Aaron Rodgers and has had a better career, despite media narrative. The reason all this criticism and putting Brees under the microscope is relevant is because his contract is up, he's 41 years old, his statistical performance experienced a shift towards late last season, and they have a ready-to-go new franchise QB in Teddy Bridgewater who is currently in a Saints uniform, also about to be a free agent, and did I mention he's about to turn 41? If Drew wants to play another season, the Saints are going to have a very difficult decision to make on the future of the franchise.

And if you want to compare how teams handle this sort of business just ask the 49ers with Montana, Packers with Favre, Colts with Peyton, Broncos with Peyton, Chiefs with Alex, Ravens with Flacco, Giants with Eli, etc. No one is safe and no one is immune because all of these men were integral and beloved by the fanbases and mgmt. My point has always been, to enjoy this season with Drew Brees and to not take Drew's presence beyond this season for granted. And it also does not mean they're out for the SB. They can still win and I hope they do. It's not bashing him, it's just being a realist.
At his worst with a noodle arm held on by 3 ligaments, Drew is still a top 5 QB which if your counting, is better than 2other teams. So if you're correct, I can only ask "who cares"?
 

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I want to see Drew throw after he finally ditches that brace on his thumb. If he still lacks zip, deep throw depth and deep accuracy, then this is how he is from now on.... until it gets even worse.

The most frustrating thing is that the last few times when Drew has thrown a really nice deep ball, either Ginn or Cook dropped it!
 

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I actually thought his throws had noticeably more zip on them against the Falcons on Thanksgiving. His deep throws were a little off target, but they def had more distance and velocity on them. Hope he can keep it up
Drew was razor sharp against the Falcons. There are times that he deserves criticism, but the last game was not one of them. Good game plan with quick passes to mask the backups on the left side of the line and he executed it well. Inexplicable dropped passes stalled the offense.
 

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PS, Brees 104 QB rating for the season puts him in the top 8 in the league, and that's playing with a thumb brace. The QB ratings system takes into account yards per pass among other things. His rating is ahead of Rogers BTW.

I'll take a top 8 QB rating whoever it may be if you give me the other 51 on this roster.
 
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I want to see Drew throw after he finally ditches that brace on his thumb. If he still lacks zip, deep throw depth and deep accuracy, then this is how he is from now on.... until it gets even worse.

The most frustrating thing is that the last few times when Drew has thrown a really nice deep ball, either Ginn or Cook dropped it!
I saw “zip, deep throw depth and deep accuracy” on Thursday night. Taking off the brace isn’t going to help guys catch the ball.
 

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I saw “zip, deep throw depth and deep accuracy” on Thursday night. Taking off the brace isn’t going to help guys catch the ball.
Honestly his throws had noticeably more 'zip' on them since the Carolina game, I think that was the turning point where he finally trusted the strength in his thumb to where he just let the deeper throws rip.

And yeah the problem is the guys aren't catching them.
 

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The last two weeks, Drew has thrown some long balls right on the money that receivers have dropped.

That's NOT on Drew.

He probably can't throw six or eight long balls a game, and maybe only 30-35 yards instead of 50 in air, but he can still pinpoint it downfield in the secondary enough to keep a team honest.

Let's pick this up after the season.
Exactly my dude.

I went back and watched some cut ups of the Atl film, and this one in particular was a throw some people in this very thread were overreacting and saying Drew can't make this very throw anymore..




Just a straight Go Route, 25 yards down the Sideline, ball placed outside the numbers but still in bounds. Cook won the route, got separation but for whatever reason slowed down/pulled up/ did not lay out for the ball.... The pass was where it needed to be.. that's not on Drew.
 

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Drew missed 5 games this season. That is a lot of chemistry, timing and live action work IMO. The drops are inexcusable when you are talking about the most accurate passer in the NFL. I mean some of ya'll Come On Man...
 
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This is what some are saying about Drew . . . I saw this yesterday.
Consider the source. I don’t even know who the guy is wearing the hoodie and sports coat. Must be getting fashion advice from Cam Newton. Brees threw 3 long balls, on the money, in the last 2 games.
Anyone, who suggests, that the Saints rotate 3 QBs in a game doesn’t‘ have much credibility.
What we need are WRs and TEs that catch the long ball.
 
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