The Hyper-Sensitivity of Society (1 Viewer)

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Is it a good thing, or a bad thing?

EDIT: For clarity, I will state here that the issue I'm referring to is the increasing tendency for people to be overly or excessively sensitive in regard to being quick to take offense to what other say or do. Some seem to feel that it will make people think twice about expressing anything that is even potentially offensive to another person. Others simply see hasty verbal retaliation as something that will keep people divided and uncomfortable with one another.
 
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Geez you guys have taken this way too seriously for your own good and yet you call me sensitive and emotional.

You've spent way too much time analyzing and dissecting every opinion I've expressed and the only conclusion that you've come up with is how delusional and out of touch with reality I appear to be. And that's fine..............it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

It seems like my insecurities and sensitivities have touched a nerve with your own insecurities and sensitivities so there's that.

You won't change what I believe and I won't change what you believe so lets give it a rest and let it die peacefully.

WHO DAT!!
 

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Ok lets cut through the BS and put it simply:

If you think the ""hyper-sensitive PC-culture safe-safe participation-trophy culture" is perceived and not real then maybe you need to get out into the real world more often. I could not care less about generation snowflake who get their panties twisted into a knot because their favorite candidate lost an election or because someone wears a hat that offends their fragile sensitivities. It's called losing and it's something that they have a very difficult time dealing with because they've been told most of their lives that there are no losers.

I'm not going to apologize to anyone because I have an issue with a man who puts on women's underwear and believes that it gives him the right to use the same rest room that my wife and 12 year old daughter uses. I'm not ever going to bow down to the "pronoun correct" rhetoric because if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's not a giraffe because it has a long neck.

Denying that something does indeed exist doesn't make it not real and I've paid my dues in the real world and in the work force to be able to express my own opinion on the real things that I see going on around me.

You're judging me without knowing a thing about me and that's fine because you have the right to do that or at least you think you do. Either way I don't care.

So you can go right ahead and believe that all this stuff is just a made up media creation all you want because the only one you are fooling is yourself.

If anything that I believe in or have said triggers your sensitivities then it's mission accomplished because I've proven that you can pull a jackass without a rope and lead him right to where you want him to go.
Oh, you thought this was a contest for who could display the most sensitivity. I see. Well you won!!!
 

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Geez you guys have taken this way too seriously for your own good and yet you call me sensitive and emotional.

You've spent way too much time analyzing and dissecting every opinion I've expressed and the only conclusion that you've come up with is how delusional and out of touch with reality I appear to be. And that's fine..............it's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

It seems like my insecurities and sensitivities have touched a nerve with your own insecurities and sensitivities so there's that.
so in my performance classes I talk about the value of energy (the importance of energy seems self-evident, but we discuss the ways energy gets focused the more precise the intention)
as social beings we seek engagement - IRL there are several social barriers that limit our engagements (we don't say/do what we want to)
i think in forums like this there's a chance to engage (get 'energized') in ways that we wouldn't irl
that energy could be attractive or repulsive, but in general either of those are more 'exciting' than stasis

You won't change what I believe and I won't change what you believe so lets give it a rest and let it die peacefully.

WHO DAT!!
but then, of course, there are a few who prefer stasis ( i would argue 'have learned to prefer stasis' since it's not really an 'organic' inclination)
i have to say i don't really understand it - 'i can't be changed' is no statement i would be proud to say
but i guess you find value in it








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so in my performance classes I talk about the value of energy (the importance of energy seems self-evident, but we discuss the ways energy gets focused the more precise the intention)
as social beings we seek engagement - IRL there are several social barriers that limit our engagements (we don't say/do what we want to)
i think in forums like this there's a chance to engage (get 'energized') in ways that we wouldn't irl
that energy could be attractive or repulsive, but in general either of those are more 'exciting' than stasis


but then, of course, there are a few who prefer stasis ( i would argue 'have learned to prefer stasis' since it's not really an 'organic' inclination)
i have to say i don't really understand it - 'i can't be changed' is no statement i would be proud to say
but i guess you find value in it








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I have thought about something along these lines. If I am in a social situation IRL and it is obvious that someone has a different view on an issue to the extent that it is clear that a discussion is not going to persuade either of us, I am not about to sit around and argue about it ad nauseum. I am either going to simply change the topic or go have an enjoyable conversation with someone else.
 

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I have thought about something along these lines. If I am in a social situation IRL and it is obvious that someone has a different view on an issue to the extent that it is clear that a discussion is not going to persuade either of us, I am not about to sit around and argue about it ad nauseum. I am either going to simply change the topic or go have an enjoyable conversation with someone else.
If there’s a social cos (or if the person’s dumb), I’m not going to bother
But if no cost and the person’s bright, I’ll probably sally forth
 

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so in my performance classes I talk about the value of energy (the importance of energy seems self-evident, but we discuss the ways energy gets focused the more precise the intention)
as social beings we seek engagement - IRL there are several social barriers that limit our engagements (we don't say/do what we want to)
i think in forums like this there's a chance to engage (get 'energized') in ways that we wouldn't irl
that energy could be attractive or repulsive, but in general either of those are more 'exciting' than stasis


but then, of course, there are a few who prefer stasis ( i would argue 'have learned to prefer stasis' since it's not really an 'organic' inclination)
i have to say i don't really understand it - 'i can't be changed' is no statement i would be proud to say
but i guess you find value in it
Feeling like we don't need to sensor ourselves online as much we do irl as a form of new and unique energy/engagement/opportunity -- I hadn't thought to put it that way before, so I appreciate the idea. Some people think that's good, some think it's bad. I tend to think the good of it outweighs the bad.

To be fair to @renegadewa , he didn't say "I can't be changed". He said "you can't change me". I think he was referring to specific people or a specific person. There's a big difference there. I doubt renegade won't change in the future.
 

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To further that @guidomerkinsrules, I think that this very discussion has changed everyone involved. I think everything we do not only causes change, but everything we do IS change itself. I doubt anyone here was changed in any dramatic way by this discussion, probably no one was changed in much of any significant way we can identify at all. But infinitesimal change that we can't even recognize is still change because action itself is change. That's a philosophical view, I understand, but I think it's a helpful, even logical, view to hold.
 

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edit: this was a lot longer than I thought it would be when I began to respond. Apologies in advance.



I don't want to de-rail this thread with 'monument' talk, but if you're really interested I can send along other thoughts - as I feel that topic is more isolated.

But when I was thinking about your question and how it can relate to this comment - and Sparkle's below - this is how I'd approach it.

When you were growing up, with friends from different backgrounds, including black, what year are we talking? I was in a McDonald's in the middle of Mississippi a couple of summers ago, and the cashiers - who were all middle-aged or older black women - would refer to white customers with "Mr. Firstname" or "Mrs. Firstname" and "sir" and "ma'am" while with the black customers, there wasn't the same formality - maybe they all knew the black customers who were in there, but it didn't seem to be. The tone was different. And my wife - who is not native to the area - picked up on it before I did.

And I don't think I noticed it because it was something that I'd seen before, growing up. I remember seeing it at my uncle's plumbing shop in SWLA and with some delivery guys that I'd worked with. In some cases it was probably a management/subordinate thing. But not always.

Anyway, point being that years ago, I'd think about what other social strictures might have been in place that would have limited someone's ability to speak what they thought about these statues to someone who was white. I have no idea, and am not presuming to know the answer.

But if you're asking me "What changed from 40 years ago to today?" then I think part of that answer should at least include some notion of a thing that was significantly different 40 years ago than today. And I think that notion of ethnicity, deference, and ability to speak truth to power is something that would've been different. I have no idea how far I'd draw this, but I have had conversations with people I'd worked with back home who were black and some didn't care while some others said that they were glad that people were able to talk about it today because they couldn't 'back then.'

So, I think that might contribute to "what changed?"

And I think that leads me to what Sparkle has said - which is this notion of where the pendulum is.

I think having the position that we are in a period of over-correction might well be a fair one. I won't push back too hard on that one. I don't think we've come close to reaching socially calamitous levels (and I'm not saying he is saying that, either), but I can at least where he/someone is coming from, thinking that.

But I also think it's a pretty natural evolution.

For so long, people have been boxed into categories - like I said in the earlier post. People have said that people in Group X must by This, That, and The Other. And the stories that get told about those groups are often mediated by people who control the storytelling and the mediums in which the stories are told. Well, with the advent of more power being available to more people, then people who have been in a subordinate position end up saying, "Hey, we don't want to be represented that way anymore. We're not really like that."

And so they start to try and deconstruct, dispel those age old notions of Themselves that other people have of them.

That seems natural.

I find myself correcting people up here on what Cajun is or what being from Louisiana means. There are a *lot* of unhealthy and unfair assumptions people make about these things up here. And so I speak up about them, I correct them.

Again, that seems like a totally natural thing to want to do.

But in the comparison I was making, if being "Cajun" meant actual inferiority and subordination and marginalization - including under the law - I'd probably just keep my head down and mouth shut.

And we aren't even talking about ethnicity, so it's obviously not meant to comparable in degree.

So, I'm not going to get up in arms over someone claiming to want their idea of Self to be represented in a way they think is closer to who they are. Given the historical circumstances, I think where we are is perfectly understandable, and there were people who saw this moment before it arrived.

I think the current period is growing pains and what I'm hoping for is that we overcome these things and begin to recognize and value difference, so that we can - in the long run - evolve as a species.

I probably will never see it in my lifetime. I think there's a lot more growing and pain to come. But considering the history of the country, it was only ever going to come. And I think a lot of the social discomfort comes because people think about "the way things used to be" and assume that is synonymous with "the way things are supposed to be."

That's where a lot of entitlement comes from, but it's an illusion, borne of a narrow understanding a group with power has over a group with less power (and it's not just ethnicity, btw). So when the power begins to move, even a bit, from that system which has been around for a minute, we shouldn't be surprised when self-determination begins to assert itself.

In the meantime, that's where I think empathy comes from - starting from a position of listening than assuming. Hearing rather than projecting. Considering rather than commanding. But empathy isn't possible when we are so reliant on those old norms that were artificially held up through the circumstantial nature of history as opposed to some immutable historical Truth
Great post sir. Tf
 

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To further that @guidomerkinsrules, I think that this very discussion has changed everyone involved. I think everything we do not only causes change, but everything we do IS change itself. I doubt anyone here was changed in any dramatic way by this discussion, probably no one was changed in much of any significant way we can identify at all. But infinitesimal change that we can't even recognize is still change because action itself is change. That's a philosophical view, I understand, but I think it's a helpful, even logical, view to hold.
yeah, it's kind of the way some might view a shoreline differently
some will see constant flux
others might not want to look that closely and say 'really there's just high tide and low tide
 

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Some people think that's good, some think it's bad. I tend to think the good of it outweighs the bad.
I'd say it's both. If people use the relative anonymity of the internet to have more open, honest discussion then minds can be changed. Or some people prefer to use that anonymity to act like jerks and nothing is accomplished except a bunch of people shouting over each other. I've had my mind changed on issues through discussion here so I know it can happen.
 

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I'd say it's both. If people use the relative anonymity of the internet to have more open, honest discussion then minds can be changed. Or some people prefer to use that anonymity to act like jerks and nothing is accomplished except a bunch of people shouting over each other. I've had my mind changed on issues through discussion here so I know it can happen.
Yeah, I think we're agreeing. I'm just saying that while it's both, I doubt the bad that comes from it is equal to what good comes from it. From my perspective I think the good that comes from it is "more" than the bad. Others may feel differently, and I get that.

I've also had my mind changed from discussions here. Or maybe it would be more accurate to say my mind has evolved from discussions here. I think it's rare to have a sudden major realization of change in your mind (happened to me one time in memory). It's more likely that the minds of most people slowly evolve and they themselves may not even realize it unless they're super self-aware.
 

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I think it's rare to have a sudden major realization of change in your mind (happened to me one time in memory).
I think gmr's getting an Instantpot, so don't even act like this doesn't happen around here
 

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I think gmr's getting an Instantpot, so don't even act like this doesn't happen around here
I don't think he has time for an instant pot. I don't see how he has time for eating. He's posting here 24/7. If I could put a tracking device on him...
 

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