The Miami Dolphins are STILL on the clock! (MERGED DISCUSSION ON 1st overall pick) (1 Viewer)

[Lurking Good]

Here's a hypothetical for you. Consider these facts:

1. There is no clear cut consensus #1 pick in this draft.
2. The rookie salary structure is terribly weighted to overpay unproven draft picks at the top of round 1.
3. Parcels has publicly stated his desire to get out of the first pick.
4. There appears to be no interest by other teams to trade up to Miami's pick.
5. Miami could still get an impact player (maybe their targeted pick) by sliding down a few picks.
6. The "punishment" for not turning a card in on time is that the next team in line can now submit their card.

Can you see a scenario where Miami simply doesn't submit their card in the 10 minutes allotted, and St. Louis joins them on the clock?
The Rams, thrilled to get the guy they want, runs to the commissioner with their card, and Miami is back on the clock.
Parcels can choose to pick his guy now and only pay him 2nd pick money, or he can wait 10 more minutes and repeat the process with Atlanta,
saving even more cash and still pick the player he has targeted.

Far-fetched?
Improbable?
Or just crazy enough that I'm blowing your mind.

 

[d3vanj]

Watch them stay on the clock until the Bengals are up and take Ellis/Dorsey
I would laugh my *** off

 

[NJDevilSaints]

It could happen this year, but unless the league fixes the rookie salary structure, it will happen with the #1 pick SOONER rather than later. And the NFL will look silly because of it.

For the reasons you listed, it makes sense for it to happen this year.

 

[llama]

It'd be a great way to force teams into a 'use it or lose it' scenario, because if it happens with the first pick this year, and happens intentionally you can bet Turf that there'll be a rules change.

Plus, WHAT they pay (and for which slot) is most likely covered by the current CBA. When this happened before, what pick & money did the team pay out? (Who was it? Vikes, right?)

 

[Mamba]

You're not the first person to come up with this hypothesis. I, for one, don't see Parcells doing this. First of all, while I'm sure there are several players he likes at the top of round 1, he's definitely got a favorite and isn't the type of person to just "settle" for the 2nd or 3rd guy on his list when he's in position to get the player at the top. Secondly, you can bet that whatever agent represents the player that Miami would hypothetically slide down to get would be an absolute nightmare in negotiations and would do everything he can to get #1 overall-type money.

I could be wrong, of course, but I don't see this happening.

 

[browning22]

Here's a hypothetical for you. Consider these facts:

1. There is no clear cut consensus #1 pick in this draft.
2. The rookie salary structure is terribly weighted to overpay unproven draft picks at the top of round 1.
3. Parcels has publicly stated his desire to get out of the first pick.
4. There appears to be no interest by other teams to trade up to Miami's pick.
5. Miami could still get an impact player (maybe their targeted pick) by sliding down a few picks.
6. The "punishment" for not turning a card in on time is that the next team in line can now submit their card.

Can you see a scenario where Miami simply doesn't submit their card in the 10 minutes allotted, and St. Louis joins them on the clock?
The Rams, thrilled to get the guy they want, runs to the commissioner with their card, and Miami is back on the clock.
Parcels can choose to pick his guy now and only pay him 2nd pick money, or he can wait 10 more minutes and repeat the process with Atlanta,
saving even more cash and still pick the player he has targeted.

Far-fetched?
Improbable?
Or just crazy enough that I'm blowing your mind.

How mad would you be to be Miami's pick....I think that player would hold out and want #1 pick money. I don't think it would go to well in Miami's case

 

[browning22]

It'd be a great way to force teams into a 'use it or lose it' scenario, because if it happens with the first pick this year, and happens intentionally you can bet Turf that there'll be a rules change.

Plus, WHAT they pay (and for which slot) is most likely covered by the current CBA. When this happened before, what pick & money did the team pay out? (Who was it? Vikes, right?)

It was the Vikes...They picked Kevin Williams from Ok state......It was I think the 10th or 11th spot....not sure what they paid out, but they got a damn good player out of it.

 

[msusaintsfan]

It'd be a great way to force teams into a 'use it or lose it' scenario, because if it happens with the first pick this year, and happens intentionally you can bet Turf that there'll be a rules change.

Plus, WHAT they pay (and for which slot) is most likely covered by the current CBA. When this happened before, what pick & money did the team pay out? (Who was it? Vikes, right?)

Thinking the same thing.....the year the Vikings didn't get there pick up for two or three picks later did they have to pay the player more than those picks the other teams rushed up to the podium for?

 

[NJDevilSaints]

Thinking the same thing.....the year the Vikings didn't get there pick up for two or three picks later did they have to pay the player more than those picks the other teams rushed up to the podium for?

It would have to be worked out between team and agent, like the Eli/Rivers trade. Eli wanted to be paid by the Giants as if he were the 1st overall pick, even though they had the 4th pick that year.

For the teams, it would be worth the drama for one year to get a big fix in the way rookies are paid at the top of the draft, IMO. They'd save much more in the long run.

 

[BigHossTheBoss]

Miami's pick would just demand to be paid like the number 1 guy and he'd probably get damn near close to it. That's a real gamble.

 

[LSSpam]

No. No team will do this. If Miami "passed" until pick #4 and then took Dorsey, you know what would happen?

Dorsey would demand #1 money anyways.

When the Minnesota Vikings "passed" on Kevin Williams, slipping from #7 overall to #9 overall, Kevin Williams still recieved #7 overall money. The precedent exists.

There is no value to "passing" on a draft pick. This is a ridiculous idea PFTRumormill concocted, as they are prone to do, to generate subplots on their own.

 

[Geldo]

Didn't Reggie get a deal just as good as Mario Williams?

 

[Lurking Good]

No. No team will do this. If Miami "passed" until pick #4 and then took Dorsey, you know what would happen?

Dorsey would demand #1 money anyways.

When the Minnesota Vikings "passed" on Kevin Williams, slipping from #7 overall to #9 overall, Kevin Williams still recieved #7 overall money. The precedent exists.

There is no value to "passing" on a draft pick. This is a ridiculous idea PFTRumormill concocted, as they are prone to do, to generate subplots on their own.

Sorry, didn't see the PFT article. Do you have that link? I'd love to give it a read.

Not sure what justification the player/agent has for insisting on #1 money if he was picked 4th.
For argument sake, let's say the Dolphins want Keith Rivers and they just keep letting the clock run out until the 10th pick where they take him.
Could Rivers make any rational argument that he deserves #1 money?

 

[CargoJon]

The guys at Sirius were talking about this the other day....said they thought it was possible but unlikely.

 

[TheDeparted]

Even if they could pass and pay a guy a lesser-contract, why not just ask a team below you if they want to swap 1sts with no other transactions? Don't you think some team would trade their first for the #1 overall straight-up?