The MVP award (1 Viewer)

[iron error]

First of all, I have always felt the MVP award is misunderstood.

It should be given to that player that makes the most relative difference to his team. That is, what would the team's viability be with or without that one player. Secondly, the team should be atleast at .500 or in contention for the post-season.

That is why I don't understand the pick of L.T. for MVP. Is he probably the best offensive talent in the NFL? Likely. Problem, is you plug in Michael Turner instead of L.T. and you have almost the same production. Maybe an extra loss or two over the season. Not a big enough difference.

However, lose Brees and we lose what, four, five, six of the games we have won. That is your MVP. Same might apply to Manning, as I am not trying to be a Saints homer on this.

What do you all think?

 

[msmith]

First of all, I have always felt the MVP award is misunderstood.

It should be given to that player that makes the most relative difference to his team. That is, what would the team's viability be with or without that one player. Secondly, the team should be atleast at .500 or in contention for the post-season.
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Is this your definition or the definition of NFL?

 

[antipop]

Problem, is you plug in Michael Turner instead of L.T. and you have almost the same production. Maybe an extra loss or two over the season.

no way....turner is half the tailback that LT is....most backs in the league are half of LT.....he really is that good...i realize that they have a great O-line and lorenzo neal is probably the best blocking fullback in the NFL, but nobody can replace LT

 

[DavidM]

Only thing I would disagree with is your assessment in the difference of LT and the backup.

But I agree with your broader point and have stated so. Call it the "Best player" award if that's all it really is. I believe Brees has been "most valuable" and had a greater impact on the fortunes of his team this season than any other player.

Take LT out and the Chargers, with the solid play from Rivers and that stout defense are probably still competitive. Take Brees out and this is very likely a below average football team.

 

[Wingdog]

Please don't be too shocked when LT wins the MVP in a landslide.

 

[Wingdog]

One problem, imo, that takes away from Brees perceived impact is that we also have a new coaching staff that will get a lot of credit for the turnaround.

 

[iron error]

It is my definition of course. I don't think there is an official NFL definition, that is the problem. Might be wrong on it not existing.

As far as Turner, he has a higher yards per carry for one thing, plus he is effective when he is in there. I think he is understood to be a certain starter in the league once he hits free agency.

 

[iron error]

One problem, imo, that takes away from Brees perceived impact is that we also have a new coaching staff that will get a lot of credit for the turnaround.

They deserve a ton of credit, it is just that without Brees we would have lost a bunch of games (would love to think that Martin could come in and do the same, hope to never find out).

 

[DavidM]

Please don't be too shocked when LT wins the MVP in a landslide.

Well, I won't be shocked at all. I think LT is a lock to win. I just think Brees has been the true MVP so far this season.

 

[Wingdog]

It is my definition of course. I don't think there is an official NFL definition, that is the problem. Might be wrong on it not existing.

As far as Turner, he has a higher yards per carry for one thing, plus he is effective when he is in there. I think he is understood to be a certain starter in the league once he hits free agency.

You can't compare players like that. The situations are different when each player is in the game, so the stats aren't directly comparable. When LT is in the game, he's the focal point. When Turner is in, more than likely Gates is the focal point of the defense.

LT is on pace to have the best season for a RB in the history of the game, pretty bold statement to think that Turner would do the same thing.

 

[DavidM]

LT is on pace to have the best season for a RB in the history of the game, pretty bold statement to think that Turner would do the same thing.

I agree.

But as a hypothetical -- Turner replaces LT and Martin replaces Brees, which team do you think suffers the greatest? I know, subjective, but IMO Brees has been a bigger catalyst for his team.

 

[Wingdog]

I agree.

But as a hypothetical -- Turner replaces LT and Martin replaces Brees, which team do you think suffers the greatest? I know, subjective, but IMO Brees has been a bigger catalyst for his team.

Very hard question to answer, game plans totally change, the defensive schemes they face would change. Losing Brees would hurt more I think, but that may be do to the fact that he's a QB and LT's a RB.

A QB like Brees makes our WRs better, o-line better, etc.... whereas LT draws the attention of the defense freeing up his teammates. Tough call.

 

[Mamba]

I think Brees will probably finish a distant 2nd in the voting, but Tomlinson clearly deserves it. He's having a record-breaking year, and it's the best season of his career, which says a lot.

 

[2fya]

i think LT is both:
1-the best player in the NFL
2-the most valuable player in the NFL