The number 4 wideout is not on the roster right now. (1 Viewer)

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Unless something changes Ginn and Smith will be the number 2/3 wideouts after Thomas. But after that there is a major dropoff on the roster. So I think either a trade at the end of the preseason or player who is on the bubble who gets cut from team that has better WR depth then the Saints.

Maybe it's a little early but about 2 weeks from now, I think some names start to come out of WR available.
 

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This is unfortunate because Josh Hill is actually a good receiver. When he first came into the league he was a good receiving tight end in college and the coach wanted him to be that 1b to Jimmy Graham. But over the years his main role has changed to more of a blocking tight end and occasional decoy receiver.


He's not much of a receiver, he has measurable though (6'5 250lbs 4.6) but it does not translate to the field as he' not an "athletic" tight end but he is a capable blocker with straight line speed....he's a good #2 tightend.
 

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I can see making that statement for a No2 WR, but not a No4. Makes no sense. The No4 is just about always a home-grown project.

If you're talking about Dez, he won't be the No4 if he signs.
 

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Well if Kirkwood is healthy I could see:

WR1: Thomas
WR2: Ginn
WR3: Kirkwood
WR4: Smith

IF we keep 5 WR's it would be Butler, maybe Grayson and Humphries to practice squad.
Then you still have Cobbs which has had a good camp too.

Need to see these guys sub in with the 1's to really see what's up.
Going to be interesting in the next 3 weeks.
 

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To be completely honest, I'm really hoping that Tre'Quan Smith makes that leap. I'm also hoping the Saints indeed struck gold and Emmanuel Butler has a Colston-esque rookie campaign. I'd love nothing more than to see Lil'Jordan Humphrey have everything click and really make a name for himself these last few weeks in camp, and that Cyril Graysom gets a leg up on Deonta Harris in the return game and makes enough Devery Henderson-type catches in camp and pre-season games that the Saints cut Ted Ginn.

My hope is:

WR 1 = Michael Thomas / Keith Kirkwood
WR 2 = Emmanuel Butler / Lil'Jordan Humphrey
WR 3 = Tre'Quan Smith / Cyril Graysom or Deonta Harris

TE 1 = Jared Cook
TE 2 = Josh Hill
TE 3 = Taysom Hill or someone currently not on roster.

Why am I hoping some of these young pups force the Saints to cut Ginn? Because Ginn is old, and he has never had reliable hands. I hoped Golden Tate or someone like that would have signed with the Saints. I hope the name Dez Bryant never surfaces, because he hasn't played since Dec 2017, and is pas bon when it comes to staying in football shape when not with a team; plus he just isn't good anymore. I'd argue Saints do need a solid veteran WR, but they need one that can play - and that person isn't currently on the roster and I hate the idea of keeping Ginn because everyone else is too green. I'd rather keep the talent.

I hope the staff converts Taysom to a TE, because the guy isn't and never will be a NFL QB.
 

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Unless something changes Ginn and Smith will be the number 2/3 wideouts after Thomas. But after that there is a major dropoff on the roster. So I think either a trade at the end of the preseason or player who is on the bubble who gets cut from team that has better WR depth then the Saints.

Maybe it's a little early but about 2 weeks from now, I think some names start to come out of WR available.
I disagree. Butler, Kirkwood, Grayson, Carr, and Humphrey are all vying for the 4 and 5 spot. I'd actually be surprised if our 4 and 5 guys aren't on the team already.
 

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I believe the best move would be to stand pat and let These guys keep competing. It’s been one game. Kirkwood, Butler and Lil Jordy all could likely fill that spot.

This to me is making moves for the sake of making moves and I don’t think we are there just yet. We need to see these guys play with Brees before we make that determination as well.
 
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Tre'quan has been disappointing IMO.
I can't argue with that. I haven't been to practices or anything. Just going off of last year and the first game, I'd say he hasn't looked as good as we'd hoped when drafting him so far. Maybe he's looked better in camp? I haven't kept up with him too much. His route running seemed a little sharper in the game. I guess time will tell.
 

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Unless something changes Ginn and Smith will be the number 2/3 wideouts after Thomas. But after that there is a major dropoff on the roster. So I think either a trade at the end of the preseason or player who is on the bubble who gets cut from team that has better WR depth then the Saints.

Maybe it's a little early but about 2 weeks from now, I think some names start to come out of WR available.
If Cyril grayson keeps making plays like he did the other night, he can't be counted out for sure.
 

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Because Ginn is old, and he has never had reliable hands. I hoped Golden Tate or someone like that would have signed with the Saints
The deal with Ginns hands is purely old news. 2018 was a short year for Ginn because of injury so his low number of drops (2) could be attributed to that. So lets look at 2017. Ginn had exactly 2 again!

Know who was worse? Just a few:
Edelman - 8
Evans - 8
Tate (Oops!) - 8
Jared Cook :covri: - 6
Julio Jones - 5
Kelce - 5
Smith-Schuster - 5
Thielen - 5

And I could list about 20 or 30 more with more drops than Ginn.

He was steadily improving before he came here. His hands being bad are a urban myth dating back to years ago. Every offseason he has worked with a receiving specialist to improve his hands. Every year he has gotten better.

Yes he has some years on him, but he still has unreal speed and very good hands.

And just to backup my numbers ( feel free to look at at 2016 or 2015 or whatever as well), here are a couple of interesting links:

Time we put that old trope to bed. :9:
 
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If Cyril grayson keeps making plays like he did the other night, he can't be counted out for sure.
I agree. I'm not a coach and don't pretend to be, but in my eyes, Grayson almost has the edge on the last receiver spot, at least at this moment. The reason why is because he's a burner. The only other receiver we have that's fast is Ginn, and he is up there in age. He also seems to have pretty good hands, and we saw his ability in the return game. I like Harris's ability at returner, but if comes down to one or the other, I might have to go Grayson. He fills multiple needs, and there's Sherels who we signed for the return game. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I do like Harris, but not seeing him get much action at receiver has me leaning this way.
 

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Yeah... but the Saints were good enough with guys like Kirky and Carr... and even Dan Arnold.. to make it to the SuperBowl last season, if not for the worst no-call in the history of history.
Right so imagine if they had another solid WR.

Remember the cowboys game?. They covered Kamara. Offense struggled
 
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In 2009 the Saints needed a TE and right before season traded for David Thomas who played huge part that season in the 2TE sets and also keeping Jeremy Shockey fresh when he only plays 40 to 45 snaps a game, instead of 60 he would have without Thomas there.
 

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What about Deonte Harris (for his return game, if nothing else)?
The WR position is going to be one of the highly watched positional groups up until cut down day and Deonte Harris to me is a player who I feel Payton brought on for a specific purpose and can be what we thought we would get out of TLL.

His first game (after missing several practices) looked like the player Payton envisioned when he was scouted and brought in to help on special teams (along with Sherels) Harris showed speed, quickness, agility and an overall natural feel as a returner.

Butler
Harris
Humphrey
Cobbs
Kirkwood
Grayson

very interesting to see how this shapes out.
 

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