The number 4 wideout is not on the roster right now. (1 Viewer)

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Unless something changes Ginn and Smith will be the number 2/3 wideouts after Thomas. But after that there is a major dropoff on the roster. So I think either a trade at the end of the preseason or player who is on the bubble who gets cut from team that has better WR depth then the Saints.

Maybe it's a little early but about 2 weeks from now, I think some names start to come out of WR available.
 

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I think all of the wide receivers for this team come out of this training camp. It would not surprise me if a veteran is cut for a younger player hers this season.
 

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I am less concerned about the number-four receiver than the number-three receiver or even number two. Kirkwood--and I want to see Butler--seems a solid number four. I am not sold on Smith, and Ginn is now a marginal number two.
 

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I am less concerned about the number-four receiver than the number-three receiver or even number two. Kirkwood--and I want to see Butler--seems a solid number four. I am not sold on Smith, and Ginn is now a marginal number two.
Why is Ginn a marginal #2? Are you looking at his production when healthy (2017) or his production when injured (2018)?

If the latter, I'd suggest considering his per game production and more critically the difference in team offensive output and efficiency compared to when he wasn't playing.
 

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I watched all of Treadwell's games in college and he was unstoppable at times. Not sure why he never excelled at Minn. It seemed like he never jelled with the QB or coaches there. He might be an easy pick up to give a shot.

 

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I watched all of Treadwell's games in college and he was unstoppable at times. Not sure why he never excelled at Minn. It seemed like he never jelled with the QB or coaches there. He might be an easy pick up to give a shot.

Simple, the inability to create any conceivable separation at the NFL level. Hard pass.
 

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I think people are concerned about the #4 WR spot because Ginn is more like a #3 who has to be a #2., and because TQS is still unproven and not yet a dependable option.
Wholeheartedly disagree...the only problem with Ginn is staying healthy...when he is on the field he makes plays, at least 2 big ones a game....and he shows up big in the playoffs...

I watched all of Treadwell's games in college and he was unstoppable at times. Not sure why he never excelled at Minn. It seemed like he never jelled with the QB or coaches there. He might be an easy pick up to give a shot.

He doesn't have the quickness to get consistent separation in the NFL and he is no threat to go deep with his lack of foot speed....his game in college does not translate to the NFL, at least thus far....I would be surprised if that changes....
 

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Why is Ginn a marginal #2? Are you looking at his production when healthy (2017) or his production when injured (2018)?

If the latter, I'd suggest considering his per game production and more critically the difference in team offensive output and efficiency compared to when he wasn't playing.
I'm guilty of rating Ginn too low myself. Why? Because he has long since reached his upside. It's a fault that a lot of fans have, loving to follow young players as they improve. So yeah, I think Ginn is under rated.

This whole WR cabal will shake out according to their ability to contribute on ST. Some good looking youngsters that don't do ST will end up on the PS or the street. An extra WR may make the 53 because he's good on ST.
 

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I'm guilty of rating Ginn too low myself. Why? Because he has long since reached his upside. It's a fault that a lot of fans have, loving to follow players as they improve. So yeah, I think Ginn is under rated.

This whole WR cabal will shake out according to their ability to contribute on ST. Some good looking youngsters that don't do ST will end up on the PS or the street. An extra WR may make the 53 because he's good on ST.
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Wholeheartedly disagree...the only problem with Ginn is staying healthy...when he is on the field he makes plays, at least 2 big ones a game....and he shows up big in the playoffs...
I've been one of the first people to come to TG's defense. People have written him off and I've been quick to point out that, without doubt, he is the 2nd best WR on this team. He was certainly missed last year when he was hurt, and the offense struggled without him. I like Ted, but I'd prefer him to be my #3. We lack a true #2 type right now. I'd like to see someone step up, or the Saints add more top end talent at the position, but I'm quick to admit that Ted has done a good job when healthy.
 
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I've been one of the first people to come to TG's defense. People have written him off and I've been quick to point out that, without doubt, he is the 2nd best WR on this team. He was certainly missed last year when he was hurt, and the offense struggled without him. I like Ted, but I'd prefer him to be my #3. We lack a true #2 type right now. I'd like to see someone step up, or the Saints add more top end talent at the position, but I'm quick to admit that Ted has done a good job when healthy.
I agree. Ted was the 2nd best receiver on the team last year, and maybe even currently. He’s 34, though, and coming off a knee injury, so I’d say in an ideal world I wouldn’t necessarily want him to be our true #2. Not a knock on him more than it is really wanting the young guys to step up to that level. But if Ginn can regain his 2017 form, and be a contributor, I think we’re good.

At the end of the day, Jared Cook will probably be the second most targeted. And as long as the young receivers are more dependable than last year, we should have a scary good offense.
 

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I've been one of the first people to come to TG's defense. People have written him off and I've been quick to point out that, without doubt, he is the 2nd best WR on this team. He was certainly missed last year when he was hurt, and the offense struggled without him. I like Ted, but I'd prefer him to be my #3. We lack a true #2 type right now. I'd like to see someone step up, or the Saints add more top end talent at the position, but I'm quick to admit that Ted has done a good job when healthy.
Totally agree, TG is in his mid 30's....I fully expect Kirkwood to emerge from the pack of young WR's if healthy....that said, TQS could be the guy as well....
 

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Totally agree, TG is in his mid 30's....I fully expect Kirkwood to emerge from the pack of young WR's if healthy....that said, TQS could be the guy as well....
We’re kind of in the same spot. I’d love to see TQS become a solid 2nd WR option, but I have my doubts. It’s critical for him to take big steps forward this season.

I love when guys like Lance Moore come out of no where and become solid players. I’d love to see Kirkwood blossom in to that roll, but I think he’s just a guy.

If TQS can’t become that #2, it’s Ginn by default, which leads to my original point. People are concerned about our #4 spot, because a real #2 doesn’t exist. Ted does a good job, but we would all like to do better there. Ted would be a fantastic 3rd WR option. Those who doubt Ted, and many of us who appreciate him, want to get better in that starting #2 spot opposite of CGM.
 

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I love when guys like Lance Moore come out of no where and become solid players. I’d love to see Kirkwood blossom in to that roll, but I think he’s just a guy.
I disagree...I don't think he is just a guy, he does a lot of little things well, he knows how to use his body and he is big and physical. I think he has the potential to be a Colston type of receiver....we will see....
 

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We’re kind of in the same spot. I’d love to see TQS become a solid 2nd WR option, but I have my doubts.
TQS reminds me a LOT of Brandon LaFell. Same size, same speed and quickness, same skill set. Can TQS be a solid No. 2? We may find out soon. This is not a knock against TQS. I think LaFell could have been much better with Brees.

But I agree, I would love to have the luxury of Ted Ginn being the No. 3. Who knows if 1 of the freshmen or sophomores will step up. 2-3 of them certainly have the talent to blow up.
 

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