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Through the years, we've seen threads come and threads go about the Politics of Celebrities. Usually, it's individual threads about some actor waving a gun the NRA (Charlton Heston) or some actress calling for the White House to be burned down (Madonna).

Enter Daniel Radcliffe, the British actor best known as Harry Potter, less known for his totally nude role in Equus.

He's called out Tom Brady for having and displaying a MAGA hat. Not sure why a British actor would feel it's his place to inject himself into American politics, but I like Daniel as Harry Potter. As for Tom Brady, he used to play golf with the Donald, long before he became president.

Daniel Radcliffe Calls Out Tom Brady For His Support Of Donald Trump: ‘Take That MAGA Hat Out Of Your Locker'

Daniel Radcliffe says he is rooting against the Patriots in Super Bowl because of Brady's ties to Trump
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/427146-daniel-radcliffe-says-he-is-rooting-against-the-patriots-in
 

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After over 8,000 provable lies coming directly from your hero's mouth, you're god dam right I'm biased against lying pieces of garbage running this country and the pieces of garbage who excuse his despicable behavior because they're brainwashed sheep in his ever-shrinking cult.
 

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Honestly, when we talk about failures of the larger news media(because places like Propublica and The New Yorker are exceptions here) these are the sorts of things I wish got more traction.

The amount of sheer corruption, forkery, and outright lies around the Foxconn deal is basically a perfect encapsulation of the snake oil philosophy of Trump and the larger Republican party.

This 11 minute New Yorker piece sums up it perfectly, and maddeningly:


https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/foxconn-wisconsin-bought-jobs-astronomical-cost


The deal Wisconsin struck with FoxConn, however, caused heads to turn throughout the state: four and a half billion dollars in government subsidies to the private company—the largest sum ever awarded to a foreign corporation. FoxConn has also been granted numerous environmental waivers, potentially compromising air quality, wetlands, and freshwater reserves. Some jobs might go to Illinois residents across the border, while Wisconsin pays all the costs. And, last year, FoxConn changed its plan, now proposing to build a heavily automated plant that would employ only three thousand workers. The state’s nonpartisan auditing bureau estimated that the FoxConn deal would not pay for itself until 2042, at the earliest. One Democratic critic of the plan says that Walker, who came to office as a Tea Party hero, had “essentially adopt[ed] a Chinese Communist business model.”​
 

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So what happened? Did an Asian Company not buy into America?
 

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So what happened? Did an Asian Company not buy into America?
Why don’t you listen to the brief story I posted and find out Joe?

You are someone I would actually be curious as to how they process it.
 

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Through the years, we've seen threads come and threads go about the Politics of Celebrities. Usually, it's individual threads about some actor waving a gun the NRA (Charlton Heston) or some actress calling for the White House to be burned down (Madonna).

Enter Daniel Radcliffe, the British actor best known as Harry Potter, less known for his totally nude role in Equus.

He's called out Tom Brady for having and displaying a MAGA hat. Not sure why a British actor would feel it's his place to inject himself into American politics, but I like Daniel as Harry Potter. As for Tom Brady, he used to play golf with the Donald, long before he became president.

Daniel Radcliffe Calls Out Tom Brady For His Support Of Donald Trump: ‘Take That MAGA Hat Out Of Your Locker'

Daniel Radcliffe says he is rooting against the Patriots in Super Bowl because of Brady's ties to Trump
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/427146-daniel-radcliffe-says-he-is-rooting-against-the-patriots-in
Celebrities not only are entitled to political views, including those with whom I disagree such as Tim Allen, but because they have a larger audience, they absolutely should express those views if indeed they feel compelled to do so. Why are celebrities such as Bono and George Clooney told to shut up and act/sing?

I thoroughly disagree with Tim Allen on just about everything, and like most conservatives I think he speaks for the demographic with the lowest degree of difficulty and the highest level of privilege--the Straight White Christian Male in the US with an intact mid and body. however, Allen has a right to his views and to express those views as he sees fit.

No reason at all for celebrities to "Shut up and play football/act/sing"
 

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So what happened? Did an Asian Company not buy into America?
You mean in the way that Nissan became the 3rd largest employer in Tennessee? This sort of foreign investment should be welcome. According to Glassdoor, Nissan also seems to be a pretty decent place to work.
 

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So what happened? Did an Asian Company not buy into America?
The simplified breakdown of the story:
1. Foxcon, a Taiwanese based company who happens to be the world's largest contract electronics manufacturer, negotiated with Wisconsin for $3 billion in state tax credits and $764 million in local property tax incentives to construct a $10 billion liquid-crystal display plant that was expected to employ as many as 13,000 people.

2. The utility company asked state regulators for a $140 million project to supply energy to the plant, with the cost paid by increases for local ratepayers.

3. $134 million was diverted from statewide road rehab projects to add funds to the $252.4 million in state bonding that was authorized to pay for the interstate expansion needed to accommodate the plant.

4. Foxconn announced that they would in fact not be manufacturing any display panels at this new campus, as "it is not feasible to build electronics in America." And regardless of location, the CEO is on record as stating that robots will replace 80 percent of its workers within the next decade.

5. Foxconn still intends on building a research and packaging facility, but most analysts feel that won't be able to sustain the number of jobs promised. Foxconn has repeatedly failed to reach employment staffing targets throughout its recent history, most notably in 2013, when they bailed on a proposed factory in Pennsylvania, and last year, when their already existing contract with the Wisconsin fell below the proposed employment numbers.

TL;DR- Foxconn is changing the formerly agreed upon deal to one that greatly favors the company and not the state, and will most likely not provide anywhere near the employment numbers or economic impact to Wisconsin that was used to reach the much publicized deal.
 

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My favorite is his bragging about his humility. It just cracks me up, not only when he does it, but when anyone does it, that he doesn't realize that you can't both be humble and tell people how humble you are at the same time. Bragging about humility negates any humility you may have ever had in the first place. I find it even more funny that he qualifies his bodacious amount of humility by basically insulting the person he was talking to by telling them he's "more humble than they would understand,"

I’m very highly educated. I know words; I have the best words.” and "Nobody knows debt better than me." -- Yeah, you've sure proven that.

Then he's even got a little Joe Horn in him too. Except he's so much more of a clown than Joe Horn ever was. Joe Horn was a football player who finally accomplished his goal of becoming one of the better receivers in the game when given a shot with the Saints, while Donald Trump was born on third base and claims to have hit a triple.
 
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The simplified breakdown of the story:
1. Foxcon, a Taiwanese based company who happens to be the world's largest contract electronics manufacturer, negotiated with Wisconsin for $3 billion in state tax credits and $764 million in local property tax incentives to construct a $10 billion liquid-crystal display plant that was expected to employ as many as 13,000 people.

2. The utility company asked state regulators for a $140 million project to supply energy to the plant, with the cost paid by increases for local ratepayers.

3. $134 million was diverted from statewide road rehab projects to add funds to the $252.4 million in state bonding that was authorized to pay for the interstate expansion needed to accommodate the plant.

4. Foxconn announced that they would in fact not be manufacturing any display panels at this new campus, as "it is not feasible to build electronics in America." And regardless of location, the CEO is on record as stating that robots will replace 80 percent of its workers within the next decade.

5. Foxconn still intends on building a research and packaging facility, but most analysts feel that won't be able to sustain the number of jobs promised. Foxconn has repeatedly failed to reach employment staffing targets throughout its recent history, most notably in 2013, when they bailed on a proposed factory in Pennsylvania, and last year, when their already existing contract with the Wisconsin fell below the proposed employment numbers.

TL;DR- Foxconn is changing the formerly agreed upon deal to one that greatly favors the company and not the state, and will most likely not provide anywhere near the employment numbers or economic impact to Wisconsin that was used to reach the much publicized deal.
I will add a few more, not necessarily for Joe, but just because this story is so profoundly indicative of Trump and the Republican party these days.

6.) A not insignificant chunk is going to be brought in from China and other more cost controlled regions to take on vital functional roles within the plant. Such as engineering and specialty oversight.

7.) In the aftermath of the midterms, Republicans in Wisconsin have essentially passed legislation in coordination with the outgoing governor to take powers away from the incoming Democratic governor both in an effort to usurp the democratic will of the people and the state government and hand them more power to corruptly influence future elections, but to also make it impossible for the governor to revisit the terms of this deal, investigate matters around it, or make any adjustments to it. Essentially, Republicans are digging in using illiberal methods to in part solidify a poisonous deal that is going to bleed the state. Advancing and rooting into the framework of the state this increasingly corrosive model of governance within the Republican party writ large of hollowing out the state and shifting revenue into a form of perverse lemon socialism.

8.) On the national level, in what is quintessential Trump, has continued to praise the deal going so far as to come back to Wisconsin and from within the confines of a fake mock up of the supposed future Mount Pleasant campus, praised Foxconn as if the warehouse is up and running and thousands are now employed.
 
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My favorite is his bragging about his humility. It just cracks me up, not only when he does it, but when anyone does it, that he doesn't realize that you can't both be humble and tell people how humble you are at the same time. Bragging about humility negates any humility you may have ever had in the first place. I find it even more funny that he qualifies his bodacious amount of humility by basically insulting the person he was talking to by telling them he's "more humble than they would understand,"

I’m very highly educated. I know words; I have the best words.” and "Nobody knows debt better than me." -- Yeah, you've sure proven that.

Then he's even got a little Joe Horn in him too. Except he's so much more of a clown than Joe Horn ever was. Joe Horn was a football player who finally accomplished his goal of becoming one of the better receivers in the game when given a shot with the Saints, while Donald Trump was born on third base and claims to have hit a triple.
Joe Horn worked hard, while Trump hardly works.
 

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I will add a few more, not necessarily for Joe, but just because this story is so profoundly indicative of Trump and the Republican party these days.

6.) A not insignificant chunk is going to be brought in from China and other more cost controlled regions to take on vital functional roles within the plant. Such as engineering and specialty oversight.

7.) In the aftermath of the midterms, Republicans in Wisconsin have essentially passed legislation in coordination with the outgoing governor to take powers away from the incoming Democratic governor both in an effort to usurp the democratic will of the people and the state government and hand them more power to override future elections, but to also make it impossible for the governor to revisit the terms of this deal, investigate matters around it, or make any adjustments to it. Essentially, Republicans are digging in using illiberal methods to in part solidify a poisonous deal that is going to bleed the state.

8.) On the national level, in what is quintessential Trump, has continued to praise the deal going so far as to come back to Wisconsin and from within the confines of a fake mock up of the supposed future Mount Pleasant campus, praised Foxconn as if the warehouse is up and running and thousands are now employed.
Won't surprise me in the least if there is never a Mount Pleasant plant, but there may be some very nice and very expensive infrastructure improvements on this road to nowhere which will bilk the state of Wisconsin of a couple hundred million. This whole escapade is so indicative of the entire Trump regime; just a lot of bluster, self-promotion, shady dealings, and nothing at all of substance to benefit the people. Trumpian economics at its worst.

Hopefully, those most affected will see through the charade and make the appropriate adjustments in the ballot box. Look for Republicans to fight tooth and nail in what I hope is an entirely futile rear-guard action as they retreat into their bunkers and leave their constituency to fend for itself.
 

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