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Yeah, fair enough. I just left it up so people are aware of it.You know the fact that he posted the article was begging for a remodel, but I’ll see myself out, thank you very much.
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Yeah, fair enough. I just left it up so people are aware of it.You know the fact that he posted the article was begging for a remodel, but I’ll see myself out, thank you very much.
I would say that most of the replies to this post have been productive. I am a white male who grew up in several different areas of the country but spent my high school years in a small town in Arkansas. We had one black student in our high school. With that I have a question.
What percentage of the American population do you believe is racist?
The reason that I ask is, during the discussion on this post I have seen all white people lumped together, all republicans lumped together, all males lumped together, and so on. I think we can all agree that you can be a white male republican and not be racist (or maybe we can't). There is out there at least one of them?
If we are to truly get to the root cause and come up with solutions for our society, we have to stop grouping people together and assuming if one person does something then all people who fall into that category are the same.
We do this in our society (media) on a lot of issues
Abortion
Guns
Same Sex Relationships
Gender
Violence
Who you voted for
I believe if we can make this adjustment we can start to truly find the solutions to a lot of problems.
That's why I didn't post news articles about it. I just wanted it out there that there is/was an (unsuccessful) effort by our government to address the problem.I would just say that this is unavoidably political and would need to be discussed at the MAP site.
Isabella Wilkerson is trying hard to make that Caste idea stick.
No explicitly anti-black legislation or money to concerned groups like they did for asians. The bottom caste still getting bottom caste "benign neglect" treatment.
So the problem continues.
Education of racism needs to be a priority. Too many people, including teachers simply don't believe it exists
I've said this before:
There was slavery, slavery was bad, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, then there was racism, racism was bad, then Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks ended racism.
The End.
For decades that was basically pretty much all that was taught, with a little Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglas and George Washington Carver added each February
An exponentially better job needs to be done
That's a different race discussion.The lamest caution flag ever. Literally
Interesting. I've always associated caste with classism more than racism, but your, or rather Wilkerson's approach has merit I think.Isabella Wilkerson is trying hard to make that Caste idea stick
It’s an important discussion to have
I’m glad you brought it up:
Pulitzer Prize-winning author Isabel Wilkerson says racism is an insufficient term for the systemic oppression of Black people in America. Instead, she prefers to refer to America as having a "caste" system.
Wilkerson describes caste an artificial hierarchy that helps determine standing and respect, assumptions of beauty and competence, and even who gets benefit of the doubt and access to resources.
"Caste focuses in on the infrastructure of our divisions and the rankings, whereas race is the metric that's used to determine one's place in that," she says
Posted this over in MAP - good article about being a black student in a majority white school district. And the white parents who are either in denial or oblivious to what their children are doing in school
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I don’t remember the first time I realized that I was different from my white classmates. I don’t even remember the first time I understood what race was. But I remember the first time I was made to hate myself for being Black.
I was 10 years old when I was called the N-word for the first time.
We had been dismissed from class for the day, so I went to grab my backpack from my assigned cubby in the corner of my elementary school classroom. Before I could throw it over my shoulders, my classmate had made the announcement.
“Look everyone, it’s Tigger the [N-word].”
I was the only Black girl in the room, so I immediately knew that he was talking about me. If that wasn’t obvious enough, he made sure to clarify by staring and pointing at me while he said it.
The shock from the blow didn’t allow me to fully process what happened. All I could think to do was to question whether I had heard him correctly. When he said it again, he made sure to remove any doubt.
One incident, one word: that’s all it took for me to realize that I was considered the “other”. My innocence and naive childlike hope was gone as I was thrusted into a position of subordination.
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My school district in Carmel, Indiana, is home to some of the best public schools in the US – it is where I received my education from the age of five until graduation. Other than the less than 4% of Black students in the district, the schools are made up of white hallways, white teachers and white students…….
Sometimes, I try to convince myself that if my white classmates and teachers were educated on the true history of this country, then maybe my experience wouldn’t have been what it was.
Maybe administrators would see how their choice to dish out a year-long suspension to a Black student for drugs while not punishing the white student (who was caught with more drugs) parallels the “war on drugs” in America.
Maybe they would see that adding extra security near the area dubbed “the Black Spot” mimics profiling and over-policing across the country.
My 16-year sentence in the school system ended in 2016, when I earned my diploma. After the world was forced to grapple with a reckoning on race and policing in 2020, Carmel now claims that they are ready to change, but I can tell nothing has changed.
As I scroll through social media, I look in disgust, but not shock, at the use of “[N-word] this” and “[N-word] that” in comments made.
But instead of tackling this very real racial abuse, teachers, administrators and parents are more afraid of the bogeyman in the corner: critical race theory.
White parents and families across the country are panicked by the idea of students being critical of the United States’ dark history – especially lessons that center the egregious actions of white people over time. The aim of critical race theory is to contextualize the history behind the racism and systemic oppression that we see today.
But the parents of Carmel don’t want their students to be taught about anything that may make their children feel guilty for their whiteness.
The school would rather cater to white comfort than address America’s skeletons.
I never got a say in learning about Black trauma: it was an expectation. At a young age, images of slaves with whip scars on their backs and the horrors of the backlash against the civil rights movement were already burned in my mind.
White students get a say in whether they want to learn about their history. I did not.
Throughout my entire education, I sat silent while teachers sugarcoated white history.
I vividly remember sitting in class while my teacher glorified the actions of white people: how brave they were for freeing the slaves, how kind they were for giving Black people rights, and how trusting they were when letting Japanese people out of internment camps.
Parents are also to blame for their failure to teach their children about racism. Their refusal to educate their children sends the message that they are fine with the way society has been functioning.
Through their willful ignorance, they are breeding a future generation of people who won’t change the dominant culture, because they believe that everything is sunshine and rainbows............
‘I was constantly bullied’: being a Black student in one of Indiana’s whitest districts
As the debate about critical race theory rages on, Hallie Watson reflects on the racism that has plagued her school district since she was a childwww.theguardian.com
Woof, it really is a warzone over there.
Some gems:
President* Biden Calls On You To Reject The Great Replacement Theory
President* Biden Calls On You To Reject The Great Replacement Theory - President Joe Biden called on all Americans to reject the 'lie' of the 'great replacement' cwww.tigerdroppings.comThe fence-sitters who supposedly don’t care about politics
The fence-sitters who supposedly don’t care about politics - Never before in history has the U.S. government had such a negative impact on day to day life.. and itwww.tigerdroppings.com
I retract my prior statement and amend it to the following:
Tigerdroppings is 4chan lite..
Wilkerson's book "Caste" is a difficult read for the majority of AmericansIsabella Wilkerson is trying hard to make that Caste idea stick
It’s an important discussion to have
I’m glad you brought it up:
Pulitzer Prize-winning author Isabel Wilkerson says racism is an insufficient term for the systemic oppression of Black people in America. Instead, she prefers to refer to America as having a "caste" system.
Wilkerson describes caste an artificial hierarchy that helps determine standing and respect, assumptions of beauty and competence, and even who gets benefit of the doubt and access to resources.
"Caste focuses in on the infrastructure of our divisions and the rankings, whereas race is the metric that's used to determine one's place in that," she says
So, I want to thank yall for starting this thread, specifically @DaveXA . I read every thought and I appreciate the effort. Early on, it was opined that "this can't be done without getting political" and, I won't lie, my expectations waned. But, 8 pages later, you've shown a discussion can be started, and sustained, and the key element of it all -- you tried. And that's what I'm proud of because that is mainly what is being asked. Make an honest effort, an honest assessment, to challenge ideology. I purposely lurked during the discussion, and refrained from contributing, because it is my sincere belief that for this issue to be resolved, it will take a conversation and resolutions being made BY white Americans amongst white Americans. Not as our saviors; no, we don't need to be saved. But as your problem to solve. I know that sounds harsh and unfair. You didn't create this system of oppression and you don't promulgate the ideology of white supremacy. Yet, it was a system built by white Americans to benefit white Americans and, ultimately, it will take white Americans willpower to dismantle it. Also, personally, it can be a bit exhausting and tiring being one of the few black voices, almost expected, relied upon, to push the dialogue and provide perspective for the masses. However, because my comments in the other thread were, essentially, the catalyst for this one, I didn't want to be seen as a pot stirrer. Agitating things and then going ghost when discussions happens. So, shortly, I'm making a post with some of my thoughts. For now, with all sincerity, I wanted to say THANK YOU!
That's a different race discussion.