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I want to layout the QB market to get an idea of what things will look like. One question of the more realistic questions for us is "will there be a market for Jameis or not". There are many others also.

I did my best to base this on the most recent news I know (Deshaun wants out, Rivers is retiring, etc..)

I'm going to layout the QB needy teams and top options at QB. First, let me know if I'm off on some of this. I had to stop listing QBs at some point, did I include enough relevant ones? Also maybe I missed a team.

For our primary question though, where would you rank Jameis on this list? If he's within the QB needy teams range then we can assume he has a market.

*Note some guys like Watson may or may not move. If they do or don't it won't affect the overall supply and demand of the market.
**These are very rough rankings. Take them more as just counting.

Must add a QB (10)
1. Jaguars - Mainly because of #1 draft pick. Minshew may or may not be available? I'll add him to available.
2. Texans - Watson wants out
3. Colts
4. Cowboys
5. Patriots
6. Lions - Stafford and Lions want a split
7. Bears - I don't think Foles gets moved or is considered the starter.
8. Washington - I doubt they only roll with Alex Smith as the starter for the season.
9. 49ers - I'm going to assume they move on from Garapollo. He'll get added to available.
10. Jets - They are very likely to take a QB with that high pick. I'll assume so and add Darnold to the market.
11. Eagles - They could potentially add Wentz to the market. I think it would be a wash to put them in the above list. Reports are they will bring in competition for Hurts. It's hard to say how serious they attack the market but they will be looking to add a QB.
12. Panthers - Reports are they are moving on from Bridgewater. Adding him to available.

Might need a QB (5)
1. Broncos - Do they belong in the above list? I'm not sure. I don't think Lock would be competitive on the market.
2. Saints - Probably could be on the above list but I'll leave them here for our purposes. Their cap makes them uncompetitive.
3. Dolphins - I think they roll with Tua for now, could be wrong.
4. Steelers - I hear rumblings but think this is unlikely.
5. Falcons - They could draft for future plans. I doubt they move Ryan though.

So that's 10 teams that are directly in the QB market. A few others may absorb QBs from the market. Now, who is available worth mentioning...

Available QBs (13)
1. Deshaun Watson
2. Matt Stafford
3. Dak Prescott
4. Teddy Bridgewater
5. Jacoby Brissett
6. Andy Dalton
7. Jameis Winston
8. Cam Newton
9. Ryan Fitzpatrick
10. Gardner Minshew
11. Jimmy Garapollo
12. Sam Darnold
13. Tyrod Taylor
14. Mitch Trubisky

Now the draftable QBs. First, these guys need to be a year 1 starter, if not that team will look to bring in a FA bridge QB also. I'm only going to list 3 but it could only be 2. Also, you have to consider a team like the Falcons drafting a QB and absorbing options from the market.

Starting QBs in Draft (3)
1. Trevor Lawerence
2. Justin Field
3. Zack Wilson


In conclusion, I have 10 teams that will need to add a starting QB. I have Jameis roughly as the #6 QB on the market and 3 starting caliber rookies. I'm really not sure if thats a good ranking or not but I going to assume Jameis will have a market based on this. This also means we could be looking at Minshew to Trubisky type talent as a FA QB unless we want to compete with a team in free agency (which I think we have little hope of doing).

What do you think? Do you think Jameis is way too high on my list and won't have a market? I'd also be interested to see if anyone would attempt to pair the teams and QBs.
 
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Expect him to be tagged. I don’t think he hits on the market unless someone offers a trade.
At $37.6M? Don't see that at all
 

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At $37.6M? Don't see that at all
What do you think Dallas does?

I see a player coming off a compound fracture/dislocation of an ankle in a QB needy market with not many options out there. Dak wants big money long term. Cousins is the precedent for double tag QB. Dallas could tag, tag and sign long term, tag/trade, not sign, or sign. Dallas picks at 10. If they let Dak walk, then what? You think Dak is giving Dallas a discount after being tagged and getting injured?

Dallas could sign him to a non-exclusive franchise tag and let other teams set the market.

 

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Watson is the only one on that list that I’d feel really confident could continue Brees’ success.

Prescott and Winston come next, but I do have a few doubts about them. But I don’t think Dallas let Prescott leave the building.
 

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Nicely done. For me the takeaway here is that the supply and demand aren't drastically out of proportion. The Saints will have options. Now granted, the options aren't ideal but they have options. I think there will be a market for Winston but I don't think the price will be unreasonable.

Winston had a year to air out and get some of that 30 Int funk off of him. But there isn't much separating him from the other QBs we can afford. His age combined with having been in SP's system for a year make him the obvious choice from the outside looking in. SP knows what he has in Winston so the contract negotiations will be telling.
 

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Sounds like there will be at least 1 more year of Fitzmagic. @Stalwart385
Interesting. I went ahead and took that note off then. I almost want to move it to Cam. He's really not that old though. I'm really curious to see how these dominos start falling.
 
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The Wentz trade helps the market for Jameis since I didnt put him as available. That assumes the Eagles go exclusively with Hurtz. I'm not sure if that is the case or not?
 

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Besides replacing Pederson, the Eagles today fired their QB coach and passing coordinator Press Taylor . That appears to suggest 1 of 2 things.

1. The franchise is desperately trying to repair the relationship between Wentz and the organization. They believe he’s worth the investment of further time and investment.

2. The franchise puts the blame for Wentz’ lack of development and unfixable regression directly at the feet of Pederson and the QB coach.

I tend to think it’s #1. I don’t think the production that Wentz flashed was a fluke. I’d try repair the relationship too and surround Wentz with positive influences who could help restore his confidence and develop him further.
3. They're idiots.
 

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My opinion on Jamies Winston is this,

As an "Arm" talented quarterback he can make any throw needed to be successful quarterback in the NFL.
Winston has more arm talent than any quarterback on the list with the exception of possibly Deshaun Watson.
He "must" be with a lot of support and development personnel around him. Coach Payton is the only, reputable, proven, quarterback friendly,
development specialist, who can provide Jamies Winston what Jamies needs.

I saw an interview with Jamies a couple of weeks ago where he was asking the interviewer (I forget who) questions as to what he thought Jamies
should do to improve and be great. Jamies knows his short comings. Jamies seemed to me to be projecting a lot of lack of confidence, unsure of what he himself knew.
When Jamies was asked questions he was slow in his answer, his eyes would widen when expressing his answers. Jamies has been shot at and hit, (if you know the old adage)
too much in his career. The man has all the talent in the world, but if he is not in the right system with the right coach, he will fail. But not for the lack of talent.
Jamies threw for over 5,000 yards 2 years ago. His play caller set him up for failure and 30 interceptions. Jamies never threw that many errors before.

Jamies Winston is childlike with a stud man amount of talent. For those reasons as I mention here, the best place, the best coach for Jamies' career is Coach Sean Payton.
I think Jamies knows it and will ultimately choose to stay with the SAINTS.

Why ? Because that interview he was in show that he wants to be great.
Jamies doesn't know how to be great.
If he chooses to go elsewhere he will quickly regret it.
Look at Teddy Bridgewater.
Teddy might very well be back here with the SAINTS if he is released by the Panthers as it is looking very likely to be.
 

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