The strategy for the Saints every week should be the same: Run the Ball, stop the run...Coach Payton!!! (1 Viewer)

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We were successful with Teddy, not because he is the greatest backup ever, but because we approached every game the same: balance our offense with the pass and run, keep the defense fresh and explosive by keeping them off the field, dominating time of possession with the run, taking pressure off the QB with the run and quick passing game (noticing a pattern?). We need to focus on the things that took us to 5-0 without Drew and use Drew as an additional weapon, not the focus of every play. We've never made it to a Superbowl with Drew throwing for 5000+ yards, why? Once we get one-dimensional, the good teams can take advantage of that. Drew is still great, but that formula hasn't worked for us; we saw what works for us!!!!

I knew we would really get to see Coach Payton's coaching chops once Drew went down. His play calling was great and once Drew got back, we were right back to where we started. I know I sound crazy because we're winning, but I can't ignore that I am always unhappy WATCHING the play-calling in the game. 3rd & 1: yeah, let's pass here??? Murray is only a productive sledgehammer that can easily pick that up. I've seen several posts blaming Drew for being immobile...have you seen the QB of the reigning SB CHAMPS?!?! Let me know if I'm losing it #WeDAT
 
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You know what’s funny? I have been listening to Locked on 49ers Podcast, and the host as well as fans are saying that Shanahan is getting too cute and passing when he needs to be running.

Sean might be coaching against his mini-me.
And we saw that when Shanahan called back-to-back passing plays in the SB when he was the O-Coordinator for the Falcons. Instead of staying in field goal range by running the ball and running the clock down, they go for the pass, get sacked out of range, and start the Patriots' comeback. Glad he did it, but it still makes no sense.
 

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Line being out has seriously hampered our running game. You don't appreciate how important a good fullback is until he's gone. Really hoping he's back at practice this week and a go on Sunday. I think his absence, more than anything, is the reason we've had the imbalance in our play calling over the past few games. We haven't been able to consistently run the ball between the tackles and when we put Murray back there and try, it's with a stacked box that ends up going for a minimal gain. Then we put Kamara back there to loosen up the box, but once they see it's a run play to the inside, everyone crashes down and the hole is closed before it ever really opened.

Regardless of Line, we need to find a way to successfully run the ball this Sunday and the 49ers wide 9 defense might just give us that opportunity to run successfully up the gut. Getting Kamara in space has always been where he's at his best. HB toss and some counters can also be used against their wide 9 with better chances of success with Kamara running the ball.
 

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And we saw that when Shanahan called back-to-back passing plays in the SB when he was the O-Coordinator for the Falcons. Instead of staying in field goal range by running the ball and running the clock down, they go for the pass, get sacked out of range, and start the Patriots' comeback. Glad he did it, but it still makes no sense.
That's one thing we've got going for us that most of San Fran's opponents haven't. We are very familiar with his play calling/tendencies from his time in Atlanta.
 

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Just as long as we''re ready from ANY FORM of "trick play" or maybe use a few of those ourselves? I'll be feeling as if WE received some real Choaching Up! If not and we continue to be fooled and don't attack that loose ball? I'm afraid we won''t work be able to stop them but I feel really great about using Taysom Hill on OUR SIDE of some kind of trickery? I feel excellent using him far more than we have been. It's got to be some really useful RPO plays with Taysom or else use him on Sp. Teams plays designed to fool defenses, I've never seen Taysom used efficiently with a well executed play and seen weaknesses or lost yardage but pleasantly have seen easy 1st downs and Long gainers!! It's one of those positions where we use Taysom in ways and formations unheard of before he arrived and it's up to Coach Payton to use him in ways which are so unique he'll have nothing but lots of grass in front of him for such long gainers we set records in all sorts of ways!!
 

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What a joke!
Just get rid of Payton, he can't coach. He gives up on the run. Pass happy. No balance, obviously doesn't respect the run game!!
Why don't y'all ask him to give back his Super Bowl Ring?
Obviously he has no idea what he's doing, any keyboard GM here can do a better job.

Damn it's getting ridiculous, even when the team is 10-2, clinched the 3rd div title in a row & hold the #1 seed in the NFC, so many are unsatisfied. It's like reading a Patriots fan site written by a NYJ fan.
 
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What a joke!
Just get rid of Payton, he can't coach. He gives up on the run. Pass happy. No balance, obviously doesn't respect the run game!!
Why don't y'all ask him to give back his Super Bowl Ring?
Obviously he has no idea what he's doing, any keyboard GM here can do a better job.

Damn it's getting ridiculous, even when the team is 10-2, clinched the 3rd div title in a row & hold the #1 seed in the NFC, so many are unsatisfied. It's like reading a Patriots fan site written by a NYJ fan.
The record doesn't mean much if you're not trying to win it all. We've had great records for the past 3 seasons, then we're complaining in the off-season. It's okay that it doesn't bother you bro! Thanks for posting man, seriously. Keep me in check lol
 

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Not directed @ you, there just seems to be a serious negative streak going.
Damn, if we would have had this kinda success OVER 2 SEASONS when I was a kid, middle school would have been so much better!LOL
 

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You know what’s funny? I have been listening to Locked on 49ers Podcast, and the host as well as fans are saying that Shanahan is getting too cute and passing when he needs to be running.

Sean might be coaching against his mini-me.
Let me guess... Shanahan's stretch zone run scheme CAN'T pick up a yard straight ahead. That sounds like a problem the Falcons used to have. Lol
 

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The record doesn't mean much if you're not trying to win it all. We've had great records for the past 3 seasons, then we're complaining in the off-season. It's okay that it doesn't bother you bro! Thanks for posting man, seriously. Keep me in check lol
After every game the same mantra pops up about not sticking to the run, like it's some simple, fool-proof formula. The stats are reviewed and there is an imbalance in the running and passing stats and the RBs had a decent yard per carry average. So going by that it is assumed that if we were more balanced we would have had greater offensive success and not struggled to win. Well, there were quite a few minimal gains and some lost yardage rushing plays. There were also some big runs that also were the benefit of defenses being on there heals because of the short passing game. They all work hand-in-hand.

Payton has always tried to set up third and short situations by getting a good chunk on first down. He has always set up the run with the pass. We are not at full strength on the offensive line. Against the Falcons the problem was dropped passes killing drives. Brees was on target and Payton was calling a good game. The players didn't execute. The defense caused turnovers and we got out with a W against a team that stymied us completely at our home two weeks earlier.
 
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We were successful with Teddy, not because he is the greatest backup ever, but because we approached every game the same: balance our offense with the pass and run, keep the defense fresh and explosive by keeping them off the field, dominating time of possession with the run, taking pressure off the QB with the run and quick passing game (noticing a pattern?). We need to focus on the things that took us to 5-0 without Drew and use Drew as an additional weapon, not the focus of every play. We've never made it to a Superbowl with Drew throwing for 5000+ yards, why? Once we get one-dimensional, the good teams can take advantage of that. Drew is still great, but that formula hasn't worked for us; we saw what works for us!!!!

I knew we would really get to see Coach Payton's coaching chops once Drew went down. His play calling was great and once Drew got back, we were right back to where we started. I know I sound crazy because we're winning, but I can't ignore that I am always unhappy WATCHING the play-calling in the game. 3rd & 1: yeah, let's pass here??? Murray is only a productive sledgehammer that can easily pick that up. I've seen several posts blaming Drew for being immobile...have you seen the QB of the reigning SB CHAMPS?!?! Let me know if I'm losing it #WeDAT
Let's look a little bit deeper than screaming run the ball and dumb play calling.

Against the Falcons the Saints ran the ball 18 times for 95 yards at 5.3 yards per carry. This sounds like we were running it down the Falcons throat. Look a little deeper and you will see that we had 2 carries for 54 yards. We had 10 carries for that went for -1 to +1 yard for a total of 5 yards or .5 yards per play. The other 6 rushes combined for 35 yards. If you are following along, that means about 1 in every 10 runs would go for a first down, 1 in every 3 runs would go for 5 yards and 60% of runs would go for little or no gain. This means if we ran the ball 10 times on first down, then 6 times we would end up with 2nd and 10 at which point it makes running the ball really tough. Then you start putting your offense in obvious passing situations that opens up your QB's to taking hits and sacks behind a makeshift line. Statistically speaking, it becomes extremely difficult to get 3 first downs in a single drive. Odds are you don't a first down on most drives and the rest of the drives you get one first down before punting.

When Teddy was playing we weren't missing 2 starters along the offensive line and a FB that has done a hell of a job opening holes in the running game. Those guys do make a difference.


We had 4 dropped passes that would have gone for more yards and points than the entire running game produced combined. Now just for fun, the 4 passes that were dropped, all 4 were for first downs to sustain drives. 3 of them would have either been for a TD or for 20+ yards. If those balls aren't dropped Brees is 22/30 275 yards and 3-4 TD's. We are up on the Falcons at the end of the 3rd quarter by 30+ points. Is that bad play calling or is it poor execution? The play calling Payton put together had us turn the ball over 0 times with 0 sacks behind a makeshift offensive line.

So my question for you is, if we won that game 41-10 would you have started this thread?

The Panthers game we had the same problems combined with putrid, bias, officiating. If we don't make the drops and the officiating is called equally we beat the Panthers by 30+.

Despite the drops, with Brees at QB we're averaging 3 points per game more than when Bridgewater was at QB.




Want to know how to make the running game better? We have to catch the ball. Our offense is and always has been to use the pass to set up the run. When you pop a couple big plays over the top then defenses have to adjust by pushing safeties back which opens up the running game. When you hit teams over the top it makes the short passing game better because corners are scared to sit on short routes and the safeties can't come flying up to defend short and intermediate routes.


If you do not punish a defense for cheating up they will continue to so making it very difficult to run the ball, particularly when you are missing 3 that are some of your best blockers in the running game. The play calling the last two games was there to punish the defense and make them back off. It was also there to drive a nail in the coffin and finish the game. The execution was in place from the time the ball was snapped to the time the ball hit the receivers hands. Your players have to make plays to succeed.
 
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We were successful with Teddy, not because he is the greatest backup ever, but because we approached every game the same: balance our offense with the pass and run, keep the defense fresh and explosive by keeping them off the field, dominating time of possession with the run, taking pressure off the QB with the run and quick passing game (noticing a pattern?). We need to focus on the things that took us to 5-0 without Drew and use Drew as an additional weapon, not the focus of every play. We've never made it to a Superbowl with Drew throwing for 5000+ yards, why? Once we get one-dimensional, the good teams can take advantage of that. Drew is still great, but that formula hasn't worked for us; we saw what works for us!!!!

I knew we would really get to see Coach Payton's coaching chops once Drew went down. His play calling was great and once Drew got back, we were right back to where we started. I know I sound crazy because we're winning, but I can't ignore that I am always unhappy WATCHING the play-calling in the game. 3rd & 1: yeah, let's pass here??? Murray is only a productive sledgehammer that can easily pick that up. I've seen several posts blaming Drew for being immobile...have you seen the QB of the reigning SB CHAMPS?!?! Let me know if I'm losing it #WeDAT

I’m sure Coach Payton will appreciate this advice.

By the way, are we still 10-2 doing things Coach’s way, or are we 5-7?

Just asking for a friend.
 

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Line being out has seriously hampered our running game. You don't appreciate how important a good fullback is until he's gone. Really hoping he's back at practice this week and a go on Sunday. I think his absence, more than anything, is the reason we've had the imbalance in our play calling over the past few games. We haven't been able to consistently run the ball between the tackles and when we put Murray back there and try, it's with a stacked box that ends up going for a minimal gain. Then we put Kamara back there to loosen up the box, but once they see it's a run play to the inside, everyone crashes down and the hole is closed before it ever really opened.

Regardless of Line, we need to find a way to successfully run the ball this Sunday and the 49ers wide 9 defense might just give us that opportunity to run successfully up the gut. Getting Kamara in space has always been where he's at his best. HB toss and some counters can also be used against their wide 9 with better chances of success with Kamara running the ball.
We can try but I think it’s hard to get to the edge on the 49ers unless you have just tge right play to make them hesitate, especially with A borderline gimpy Kamara compared to his best.

Hill might get out there faster at this point.
 

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Let's look a little bit deeper than screaming run the ball and dumb play calling.

Against the Falcons the Saints ran the ball 18 times for 95 yards at 5.3 yards per carry. This sounds like we were running it down the Falcons throat. Look a little deeper and you will see that we had 2 carries for 54 yards. We had 10 carries for that went for -1 to +1 yard for a total of 5 yards or .5 yards per play. The other 6 rushes combined for 35 yards. If you are following along, that means about 1 in every 10 runs would go for a first down, 1 in every 3 runs would go for 5 yards and 60% of runs would go for little or no gain. This means if we ran the ball 10 times on first down, then 6 times we would end up with 2nd and 10 at which point it makes running the ball really tough. Then you start putting your offense in obvious passing situations that opens up your QB's to taking hits and sacks behind a makeshift line. Statistically speaking, it becomes extremely difficult to get 3 first downs in a single drive. Odds are you don't a first down on most drives and the rest of the drives you get one first down before punting.

When Teddy was playing we weren't missing 2 starters along the offensive line and a FB that has done a hell of a job opening holes in the running game. Those guys do make a difference.


We had 4 dropped passes that would have gone for more yards and points than the entire running game produced combined. Now just for fun, the 4 passes that were dropped, all 4 were for first downs to sustain drives. 3 of them would have either been for a TD or for 20+ yards. If those balls aren't dropped Brees is 22/30 275 yards and 3-4 TD's. We are up on the Falcons at the end of the 3rd quarter by 30+ points. Is that bad play calling or is it poor execution? The play calling Payton put together had us turn the ball over 0 times with 0 sacks behind a makeshift offensive line.

So my question for you is, if we won that game 41-10 would you have started this thread?

The Panthers game we had the same problems combined with putrid, bias, officiating. If we don't make the drops and the officiating is called equally we beat the Panthers by 30+.

Despite the drops, with Brees at QB we're averaging 3 points per game more than when Bridgewater was at QB.




Want to know how to make the running game better? We have to catch the ball. Our offense is and always has been to use the pass to set up the run. When you pop a couple big plays over the top then defenses have to adjust by pushing safeties back which opens up the running game. When you hit teams over the top it makes the short passing game better because corners are scared to sit on short routes and the safeties can't come flying up to defend short and intermediate routes.


If you do not punish a defense for cheating up they will continue to so making it very difficult to run the ball, particularly when you are missing 3 that are some of your best blockers in the running game. The play calling the last two games was there to punish the defense and make them back off. It was also there to drive a nail in the coffin and finish the game. The execution was in place from the time the ball was snapped to the time the ball hit the receivers hands. Your players have to make plays to succeed.

Makes WAY too much sense. Outstanding post.
 

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