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Because that's what choke artists do. Then win the games that aren't overly important. Because the pressure is now basically off, see?

2009 righted alot of historical wrongs with this franchise, and as such, provided for some future extra leeway as well. Which is fine.....and probably to be expected. But this team, in the Payton era, has rarely been "clutch".

For purposes of this post, any of Payton's seasons prior to 2009 will be disregarded. Yes, that means the surprisingly awesome 2006 season is disregarded, but it also means underacheiving 2007 and 2008 get disregaded as well. We're just gonna assume that all of those seasons were the seeds being planted for the 2009 harvest, and move on.

In 2010 there was definitely a Super Bowl hangover (along with Brees battling a knee ailment)....which, while disappointing, wasn't completely unheard of. It happens. What shouldn't just "happen" though is losing a game to a 7-9 team in the wild card round, when you started the game with a 10-0 lead. No, I dont care that they were down to their 27th RB. Julius Jones was not the issue. They choked.

2011......awesome season, in many ways....probably the closest team we've had that could get close to the "we're never out of it" mentality that the 2009 team showed. They start the Divisional round game with multiple turnovers on offense (choking hazard)........and gave up 2 final TD drives to Alex Smith to complete the choke-job. Maybe the most talented team the Saints have ever had, and they choked.

2012.......got to 5-5 after an 0-4 start.....then choked. Guess they realized the chances were too good for a possible wildcard berth if they kept winning..

2013......."give Breesus even just a middle of the pack defense, and we're GUARANTEED another title", says the occasional Saints fan. I guess they never watched any games in 2013. We had a top 5 defense to go along with a top 5 offense. Should have been enough for a 1 or 2 seed, yes? Nope....with the Saints controlling their own destiny in the NFC South division race...they choked against the Rams and Panthers.....I guess the pressure of a first round bye and a division title was too much? After showing some surprising mental toughness on the road (Brees did try his best to choke it away early on with some INTs, but the defense and running game stubbornly refused to let him off the hook that easily) and getting their first road playoff win...........off to Seattle they went....where again, the defense did everything they reasonably could to keep the game close. Naturally, the choking set in via repetitive play calling (ineffective screen passes), Ingram fumbling in Saints territory after the running game was showing some promise.....missed FGs in the wind (did Seattle's kicker ever miss?)....and multiple missed opportunities on 4th and short. It would later become apparent that the 2013 Saints defense was fool's gold.....but it's hard to argue against the fact that the defense did their job that season.

2014 - started off the season choking against the Falcons........ended the season by choking against the Falcons when a win would have put them 1 win away from a division title against a TB team that many swear actually tanked the final game. Another season in which they got to 0.500 and couldn't get over the hump. 8-8 would have won the division, so they gave us 7-9.

2015 - more of the same.....get to 0.500, choke against the Titans with a chance to go over 0.500........while also making sure to lose to the Lions on MNF to close out whatever slim playoff hopes they had. But at least they went in and beat ATL the next week when it didn't really matter....:9:.

2016 - still can't get above 0.500, but with the division title very much within their grasp if they were to win their last 4 games, they answer the bell with multiple turnovers and no touchdowns in a game against TB where 17 points would have been enough to win.

And now if/when they win 2 or 3 of their last 3 games, some will praise them for not giving up. I'd even be happy with that myself......but I'd also be happy to see them stop choking away all these seasons...
 

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Because that's what choke artists do. Then win the games that aren't overly important. Because the pressure is now basically off, see?

2009 righted alot of historical wrongs with this franchise, and as such, provided for some future extra leeway as well. Which is fine.....and probably to be expected. But this team, in the Payton era, has rarely been "clutch".

For purposes of this post, any of Payton's seasons prior to 2009 will be disregarded. Yes, that means the surprisingly awesome 2006 season is disregarded, but it also means underacheiving 2007 and 2008 get disregaded as well. We're just gonna assume that all of those seasons were the seeds being planted for the 2009 harvest, and move on.

In 2010 there was definitely a Super Bowl hangover (along with Brees battling a knee ailment)....which, while disappointing, wasn't completely unheard of. It happens. What shouldn't just "happen" though is losing a game to a 7-9 team in the wild card round, when you started the game with a 10-0 lead. No, I dont care that they were down to their 27th RB. Julius Jones was not the issue. They choked.

2011......awesome season, in many ways....probably the closest team we've had that could get close to the "we're never out of it" mentality that the 2009 team showed. They start the Divisional round game with multiple turnovers on offense (choking hazard)........and gave up 2 final TD drives to Alex Smith to complete the choke-job. Maybe the most talented team the Saints have ever had, and they choked.

2012.......got to 5-5 after an 0-4 start.....then choked. Guess they realized the chances were too good for a possible wildcard berth if they kept winning..

2013......."give Breesus even just a middle of the pack defense, and we're GUARANTEED another title", says the occasional Saints fan. I guess they never watched any games in 2013. We had a top 5 defense to go along with a top 5 offense. Should have been enough for a 1 or 2 seed, yes? Nope....with the Saints controlling their own destiny in the NFC South division race...they choked against the Rams and Panthers.....I guess the pressure of a first round bye and a division title was too much? After showing some surprising mental toughness on the road (Brees did try his best to choke it away early on with some INTs, but the defense and running game stubbornly refused to let him off the hook that easily) and getting their first road playoff win...........off to Seattle they went....where again, the defense did everything they reasonably could to keep the game close. Naturally, the choking set in via repetitive play calling (ineffective screen passes), Ingram fumbling in Saints territory after the running game was showing some promise.....missed FGs in the wind (did Seattle's kicker ever miss?)....and multiple missed opportunities on 4th and short. It would later become apparent that the 2013 Saints defense was fool's gold.....but it's hard to argue against the fact that the defense did their job that season.

2014 - started off the season choking against the Falcons........ended the season by choking against the Falcons when a win would have put them 1 win away from a division title against a TB team that many swear actually tanked the final game. Another season in which they got to 0.500 and couldn't get over the hump. 8-8 would have won the division, so they gave us 7-9.

2015 - more of the same.....get to 0.500, choke against the Titans with a chance to go over 0.500........while also making sure to lose to the Lions on MNF to close out whatever slim playoff hopes they had. But at least they went in and beat ATL the next week when it didn't really matter....:9:.

2016 - still can't get above 0.500, but with the division title very much within their grasp if they were to win their last 4 games, they answer the bell with multiple turnovers and no touchdowns in a game against TB where 17 points would have been enough to win.

And now if/when they win 2 or 3 of their last 3 games, some will praise them for not giving up. I'd even be happy with that myself......but I'd also be happy to see them stop choking away all these seasons...

Geez. The only choke losses I would call in the 2011 and 2013 are the Rams. Losing to them are what cost the team first round byes in both seasons.

The 2011 playoff performance against the 49ers started with turnovers but was gutsy performance to come back against the best defense in the league (which had the advantage of a week's rest). I don't call losing to Seattle in 2013 a choke either. That was just Seattle at its peak (also with a week's rest), and the Saints just weren't good enough. Neither were the Broncos.

The loss to the 7-9 Seahawks team was just plain weird. That was mostly on the defense which still had the Gregg Williams genius.
 

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Geez. The only choke losses I would call in the 2011 and 2013 are the Rams. Losing to them are what cost the team first round byes in both seasons.

The 2011 playoff performance against the 49ers started with turnovers but was gutsy performance to come back against the best defense in the league (which had the advantage of a week's rest). I don't call losing to Seattle in 2013 a choke either. That was just Seattle at its peak (also with a week's rest), and the Saints just weren't good enough. Neither were the Broncos.

The loss to the 7-9 Seahawks team was just plain weird. That was mostly on the defense which still had the Gregg Williams genius.

To be honest.....I used to ascribe to all these same excuses/justifcations as well. And if it was "just" the 2011 Niners game....or "just" the 2013 Seahawks game.....I'd probably continue doing so. But after a while you start noticing things.
 

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To be honest.....I used to ascribe to all these same excuses/justifcations as well. And if it was "just" the 2011 Niners game....or "just" the 2013 Seahawks game.....I'd probably continue doing so. But after a while you start noticing things.

Then I guess we also admit we were lucky to beat Minnesota due to their own choke and would have lost to Indy without the onside kick :idunno:
 

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maybe installing the flik "Deep Throat" in the off season film study will rid us of this choking issue....:scratch:
 
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Then I guess we also admit we were lucky to beat Minnesota due to their own choke and would have lost to Indy without the onside kick :idunno:

Dunno about the Indy part since we held them to 7 points in the entire second half.........but yeah, considering it took all those turnovers to beat Minny, I've always felt we were quite fortunate to win that game.
 

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Dunno about the Indy part since we held them to 7 points in the entire second half.........but yeah, considering it took all those turnovers to beat Minny, I've always felt we were quite fortunate to win that game.

Held them to 7 because the Saints "stole" as possession and took the lead. Situations could have been a lot different had the Colts marched to a TD and a 17-6 lead. We also take for granted that a kicker like Hartley makes all three of his FGs over 40 yards.
 

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They will at most win 2 of them because at no time this season have they ever won more than 2 in a row.
 

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The 2011 season still haunts me to this day. That was the pinnacle of the team. the best they'd ever be offensively. and I KNEW if they got past SF they'd win another superbowl. Nobody could stop that offensive juggernaut.. but SF created 4? 5? turnovers that game. And the boneheaded call to blitz... It has been downhill ever since.
 
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Held them to 7 because the Saints "stole" as possession and took the lead. Situations could have been a lot different had the Colts marched to a TD and a 17-6 lead. We also take for granted that a kicker like Hartley makes all three of his FGs over 40 yards.

Personal opinion....I always found the onside kick to be over-rated in terms of significance to the outcome of that game. I'm not saying it wasn't an awesome call for that moment and it clearly deserves its place in Saints history........but this whole assumption that Peyton was automatically gonna march down and put a TD on the board is not one that I really am inclined to make. How do we know they don't go 3-and-out if the Saints just do a regular kickoff?
 

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If he were reaching for his neck, it would almost look like he was choking. Informative, on-topic post !! :spit:

Well, it's nicer than me saying it seems like you typed a lot of words to just say we suck. It just feels hopeless overall.. I don't choose to live that way.

EDIT: And to add, I agree that this year we're not very good and we've been mediocre the last few. A big factor of that has been bad drafts and some poor FA signings. We're finally digging out of that. However, I'm not party to this grander idea of being perennial choke artists, or we've had terrible coaches forever.
 
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This team has shown that they will do whatever it takes to finish with around 7 wins. Who will ever forget the heroic 4th quarter comeback in 2014 in the last game of the year against Tampa Bay? That win dropped the Saints down to the 13th spot in the draft and it gave Tampa Bay the #1 overall pick in the draft but by God we won. We got our 7 wins. Tampa Bay got Jameis Winston but so what, we got our 7 wins.

When all hope is lost and there's nothing left to play for but pride, that's when our team is at it's best. They'll do whatever it takes to get that first round pick in the #12 to #20 range.
 
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Well, it's nicer than me saying it seems like you typed a lot of words to just say we suck. It just feels hopeless overall.. I don't choose to live that way.

No, I "typed alot of words" to say that we've seen a pattern of choking starting immediately after the SB season. Maybe you picked up on that and just wanted an excuse to post a stupid, pointless picture-flame.......or maybe you thought it was a rant that had only to do with this season. Either way, now you know. :9:
 

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