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Please stop turning every thread into a ideological pissing contest... That's what you have FB and Twitter for.... Thanks!

Is the thread's OP not about an ideology? Why are you throwing a hiss over an ideology discussion on a thread about ideologies?
 

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Is the thread's OP not about an ideology? Why are you throwing a hiss over an ideology discussion on a thread about ideologies?
Prayer itself isn't an ideology. The question was if they say they'll pray for someone, do they actually do it? It's a pretty specific question asked of those who pray. Has nothing to do with ideology from how I read it.

That said, carry on.
 

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Prayer itself isn't an ideology. The question was if they say they'll pray for someone, do they actually do it? It's a pretty specific question asked of those who pray. Has nothing to do with ideology from how I read it.

That said, carry on.

Agreed... The issue is, some see their ideology as a personality trait, and take personal offense to any discussion or topic that doesn't fall in line with it - and feel as though they have to dispute anything to the contrary (even out of/without context). Rather than saying... "Oh, I don't pray - So I have no opinion." It's unfortunate, but ideology has nothing to do with the topic. It's also annoying af.

If there was a tread started Asking posters Specifically if they Feel Guilty for not praying.... I'd have no input because I'm not in that number, and I'm sure I wouldn't have heated debate about creationism in response... I thought it was pretty straight forward.
 
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and take personal offense to any discussion or topic
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Is the thread's OP not about an ideology? Why are you throwing a hiss over an ideology discussion on a thread about ideologies?
No, ideology really didn't enter my head when I posed the direct question. I was just curious, I guess, if people were going to say, yes, I really do, or something like maybe, It's the polite thing to say but oftentimes I don't follow through (as, admittedly, I sometimes forget to do). Kind of like when you say, How are you?, you're not meaning you want them to give you the results of your last doctor visit.

I'm happy that most are following through and I will try to be better.
 

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Prayer itself isn't an ideology. .
sorry, i just can't imagine any situation where this is an accurate statement -
as i understand it all prayer has both a target and an intention (vs, say meditation which might only have an intention)
'i'm praying to something for something'
the 'to something' is always going to be ideological, and thus it would follow that the 'for something' would be ideological as well

but i'm interested to hear your thoughts
 

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Agreed... The issue is, some see their ideology as a personality trait, and take personal offense to any discussion or topic that doesn't fall in line with it - and feel as though they have to dispute anything to the contrary (even out of/without context). Rather than saying... "Oh, I don't pray - So I have no opinion." It's unfortunate, but ideology has nothing to do with the topic. It's also annoying af.

If there was a tread started Asking posters Specifically if they Feel Guilty for not praying.... I'd have no input because I'm not in that number, and I'm sure I wouldn't have heated debate about creationism in response... I thought it was pretty straight forward.
it's a discussion board
one discusses things on a discussion board
 

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sorry, i just can't imagine any situation where this is an accurate statement -
as i understand it all prayer has both a target and an intention (vs, say meditation which might only have an intention)
'i'm praying to something for something'
the 'to something' is always going to be ideological, and thus it would follow that the 'for something' would be ideological as well

but i'm interested to hear your thoughts
I dunno, it's an act more than an ideology imo. Not any different than having a conversation with someone. It's a verb.

I tend to think our world view determines how we pray. But I also tend to think of ideology more in political terms than religious or spiritual/philosophical. Making a distinction between ideology and and world view might involve some hair splitting, so idk.

Regardless, the OP was asking a question about prayer, not giving any sort of consideration to ideology. That's not germane to her question.
 

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You don't have to have any sort of ideology to pray, imo.

How can you say that, when you are asking things of a specific god?

I dunno, it's an act more than an ideology imo. Not any different than having a conversation with someone. It's a verb.
So just wishful thinking? Who you do pray to? Why do you pray to that particular entity?
 

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I dunno, it's an act more than an ideology imo. Not any different than having a conversation with someone. It's a verb.

I tend to think our world view determines how we pray. But I also tend to think of ideology more in political terms than religious or spiritual/philosophical. Making a distinction between ideology and and world view might involve some hair splitting, so idk.

Regardless, the OP was asking a question about prayer, not giving any sort of consideration to ideology. That's not germane to her question.
if that someone is actual and others can see/hear then sure it's a conversation
if that someone is an IDEA, then it's an ideology

your 'regardless' follows from a proof that you never made - as i think i just showed (but you are allowed/encouraged to refute) prayer is inherently an ideology
 

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if that someone is actual and others can see/hear then sure it's a conversation
if that someone is an IDEA, then it's an ideology

your 'regardless' follows from a proof that you never made - as i think i just showed (but you are allowed/encouraged to refute) prayer is inherently an ideology
But the idea is the existence of that someone. Interaction with that someone, whether real or imagined is an act, not an idea. It might point to that idea, but that doesn't mean it's an ideology on it's own.
 

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But the idea is the existence of that someone. Interaction with that someone, whether real or imagined is an act, not an idea. It might point to that idea, but that doesn't mean it's an ideology on it's own.
you're standing in front of me - i ask you for a dollar
i then turn and stare into the void and ask _______ for a dollar
you're telling me that those are the same thing because they both involve the asking
i can't believe you believe that is correct
 

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