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I hear alot about the other WR on the team. Yeah MT and now Sanders. What about TQS? Do y'all not think he will not be better this year? I think when they go 5 wide they will be too focused on MT and Sanders, a LB on Kamara and Cook that they will forget bout TQS and that will be his time to get it. I think he will have a better year. Allbeit he doesn't have an injury. C'mon TQS is on the team too. He gets no love?
 

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He had that great game vs Philly then just disappeared. I don't want to chalk it up to bust pick since he's going into his third year but you should atleast see his promise which we haven't seen outside of that Philly game in his rookie year.

Saints should be fine with Saunders and Cooks teaming with Thomas, the Saints at this point need some young talent to benefit from the vets in front of them and if it's not going to be TQS, we have Harris, Humphrey and Butler to hopefully seize the opportunity...namely Harris who I think will make some big plays in this offense.
 

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MT13 wont be on the team next year from what I heard. He and Kamara will be traded and will get Burrow with the1st pick.
 

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I am confused that this wr group, MT included, never laterals the ball. I saw at least 4 plays where TQS was cleared from blocking for MT and defender engaged with MT but his hands were free and TQS had space. This is something we used to practice back in the day but I don't see any teams really doing anymore. Is it just me?
 

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many people in this thread have already hit the nail on the head. Michael Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Jared Cook and Alvin Kamara will all be pass options ahead of TQS. That 5th WR, whoever it may be, will not get very many touches at all.

And if we draft a WR, that will further push TQS down the depth chart.
 

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I don’t expect any significant contribution from TQS.
I am with you. We need better options even if it is a finally productive version of TQS (which seems unlikely but I would take it!). I would prefer to bring in substantial competition than waiting for him to be healthy and "get it." Meach did take a while to be productive, but we have 2 or more examples for every Meach (Toon, Arrington, Hass). Other drafted WR's showed something by this point (CGM, Stills, Cooks, Colston). So, odds seem against a turnaround.
 

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We will see if he's capable of seizing the opportunity. The focus will be on Thomas and Sanders which should provide the opportunity for him to shine. If he wants it, I think it'll be there to take, this year.
 

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Remember how good he was in his first training camp? Every day, there'd be a story about TQS just killing it out there. The dude had Stephone Anthony level Training Camp buzz.

That should have been our first sign something was wrong :)
Training camp can certainly be a mirage. Smith looked like a steal his first training camp. Most of us (including me) thought he was going to be a draft steal. Instead during the regular season he looked like what he was - a third round pick. A team tight against the cap doesn’t go out and spend the money the Saints did on Emmanuel Sanders if they thought one of their young guys were going to break out.

Same goes for 2019 training camp phenom Emmanuel Butler. Last year the hype was through the roof. The buzz was Butler was killing it in camp, had incredible hands, and veteran like demeanor. Of course this turned out mostly to be the sportsmedia desperately searching for something/anything to talk about. While I don’t doubt Butler had a nice training camp the fact the WR weak 2019 Saints called up guys like Lil’ Jordan Humphries and Keith Kirkwood before Butler told me everything I needed to know. There was little to no hype about another UDFA - some guy named Deonte Harris.

This year it will probably be another late round/ UDFA WR that is hyped up during TC. Just take it with a grain of salt.
 

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A team tight against the cap doesn’t go out and spend the money the Saints did on Emmanuel Sanders if they thought one of their young guys were going to break out.
Smartest thing said this thread. TQS might break out; he might not break out.

But the Saints have shown us, by their actions, that they do not expect him to break out.
 

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Ok, this got very long, but I think I did a pretty good job on it.

Let's break the offense down, there were 581 passes thrown last year. 418 were caught and 163 were incomplete for a 71.9% completion percentage.

Of those 418 completions, 169 of them went to RBs and TEs (I put Taysom's in as TEs)

That leaves 59.5% of the completions left to go to the WRs.

The problem is, Michael Thomas is so good, he commanded 59.8% of those remaining targets and 35% of the total completions. This only leaves 100 completions to go to every other WR on the team.

Last year, Michael Thomas had 149 completions, not targets. Let's put that into perspective and look at the 2012-2014 seasons.

In 2012, Graham and Colston had a combined 168 completions
In 2013, they had 161 completions
in 2014, they had 144 completions

My point is this, Michael Thomas is quite possibly the best WR in the NFL right now at getting open and he is probably the biggest security blanket as well. He also had the most completions in the history of the NFL in one season. In the 2012 to 2014 seasons when we had Jimmy Graham and Colston, Drew would constantly key on them and we all would agree that it seemed to hurt the offense. In those years, we never blamed the other WRs for needing to step it up, we blamed the offense and Drew (in a way) for honing in.

Now we key to last year, and maybe a little bit of the year before, and we all want to say that it's a lack of a 2nd WR stepping up. The biggest difference between the 2012-2014 years and last year to me isn't the fact that the QBs are "honing in" it's the fact that Michael Thomas is just that good.

You had only 100 completions left to be spread around 16 games and that leaves 6.25 completions per game. TQS had some injuries and only played in 11 of those games. TQS caught 72% of the balls thrown to him. So in his situation, injuries hurt and a lack of completions thrown to hurt his physical numbers.

On the positive side, 20% of his targets and 27.7% of his completions went for touchdowns.

Moving on to this year, Emmanual Sanders will be a better no. 2 WR then TQS because he's simply better. TQS will probably have more catches and probably the same amount of TDs. Jared Cook is only going to be better in his 2nd year. This is probably all going to mean that Michael Thomas just isn't going to set any NFL records this year.
 

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He's got the physical tools to be a consistent contributor. Gotta somehow shake the bad luck with the injuries. Mentally, if he couldn't handle the playbook he wouldn't be here at all. And there's precedent in the Payton era with this, Robert Meacham. Didn't play at all his rookie season and only a little bit during his second year. Light came on full-blast his third season, which of course was the Super Bowl year.
 

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Moving on to this year, Emmanual Sanders will be a better no. 2 WR then TQS because he's simply better. TQS will probably have more catches and probably the same amount of TDs. Jared Cook is only going to be better in his 2nd year. This is probably all going to mean that Michael Thomas just isn't going to set any NFL records this year.
Which is in all likelihood better for long term success, it's not a good strategy to expect and rely on 1 player to maintain an All-time record breaking pace, it's unsustainable and probably better for the players health to not rely on such a high volume workload and instead spread that out a little more among slightly improved 2nd and 3rd options.

Also you have to plan for Big game Play-Off situations where the best Defensive Coordinators are going to be dead-set on taking away Michael Thomas by doubling him every play.... like Wade Phillips, and Mike Zimmer did.. you can break records in the regular season but it doesn't matter in a One game elimination season if a Defense takes away what you do best and your Offense shuts down because it has no other good answers.
 

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