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After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow...Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military," Trump tweeted.

"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming...victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/26/trump-no-transgender-individuals-military/511858001/
 

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So it seems Kelly and Mattis had agreed to become defacto Pentagon babysitters of donny boy which is a good thing...

John Kelly And James Mattis Devised A Plan To Keep Tabs On Trump

Keeping tabs on President Trump and his decision process isn’t as clandestine as it may sound. Kelly, then Trump’s Homeland Security secretary, and Mattis were simply trying to situate themselves in the most prepared manner possible. Consider the recent public blunder regarding the White House’s attempt to dictate new military regulations regarding the banning of transgender enlistees and service members. Though Trump claimed he consulted with his military leaders in his tweets, the Pentagon later said it as “blindsided” by the president and refused to comply. All the while Mattis was out of the country.
 

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A clear S.O.S.... lol

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Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it looks like Trump's ban on Transgender service members will indeed be implemented:

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-08-23/white-house-to-send-memo-to-pentagon-soon-on-transgender-ban?src=usn_tw


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House is expected to tell the Pentagon in coming days how to implement a ban on transgender people in the military, according to a memo that says the defense secretary may decide whether to remove service members based on their ability to deploy, a U.S. official said on Wednesday.

The two-and-a-half-page White House document gives Defense Secretary Jim Mattis six months to fully implement the ban, according to a story first reported by The Wall Street Journal and confirmed by the official.

It also directs the Defense Department to deny admittance to transgender individuals and to stop spending on medical treatment regimens for those currently serving, the Journal reported, citing U.S. officials.
 

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..And predictably, Trump will have a fight on his hands

(Reuters) - Two lawsuits were filed on Monday challenging U.S. President Donald Trump&#8217;s ban on trangender people serving in the U.S. military.

One lawsuit was filed in Baltimore federal court by the American Civil Liberties Union. The second lawsuit was filed in Seattle federal court by Lambda Legal and OutServe-SLDN.

Both lawsuits say the ban violates U.S. constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process under the Fifth Amendment.
Two lawsuits challenge Trump transgender military service ban | Reuters

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: We just sued <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump">@realDonaldTrump</a> over his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TransMilitaryBan?src=hash">#TransMilitaryBan</a>. See you in court, Mr. President. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LGBTQ?src=hash">#LGBTQ</a> <a href="https://t.co/eo8wT4XtQO">pic.twitter.com/eo8wT4XtQO</a></p>&mdash; Lambda Legal (@LambdaLegal) <a href="https://twitter.com/LambdaLegal/status/902154416094052352">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I don't understand the timing of all this.

Trump's Order simply cancels Obama's order, right? And Obama's Order did not take effect, given that it would have taken effect in July, 2017 but Mattis rolled that back to complete a study on the issue, sue January, 2018.

I guess, but don't know, that Trump's Order he issued Friday has the effect of actually banning transgendered from serving - which seems odd to say the least given that he, trump, would appear to have no basis for such a ban. The study by DoD has not been completed and is not due till January. Right? So in such a lawsuit what he is going to show as the basis of his ban?

Maybe there are some previously done studies that show morale decreases, costs are prohibitive, etc. But unless he has those he seems doomed. Although I guess that study coming out retroactively could help. But it would still give a fact finder reason to believe the ban was for other purposes - purposes that are not constitutionally permitted.
 

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I don't understand the timing of all this.

Trump's Order simply cancels Obama's order, right? And Obama's Order did not take effect, given that it would have taken effect in July, 2017 but Mattis rolled that back to complete a study on the issue, sue January, 2018.

I guess, but don't know, that Trump's Order he issued Friday has the effect of actually banning transgendered from serving - which seems odd to say the least given that he, trump, would appear to have no basis for such a ban. The study by DoD has not been completed and is not due till January. Right? So in such a lawsuit what he is going to show as the basis of his ban?

Maybe there are some previously done studies that show morale decreases, costs are prohibitive, etc. But unless he has those he seems doomed. Although I guess that study coming out retroactively could help. But it would still give a fact finder reason to believe the ban was for other purposes - purposes that are not constitutionally permitted.
You're giving Don too much credit.

He has an opportunity to be mean to an out-group. He's taking it. The end.
 

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You're giving Don too much credit.

He has an opportunity to be mean to an out-group. He's taking it. The end.
I think that is what I am saying - there is no basis,at least not yet, for the ban. At least it seems that way to me.

he could have waited for the DoD report to come in, and found some basis in there. Instead his impulsive action is likely the reason, or one reason, the ban is overturned in federal court.
 

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I think that is what I am saying - there is no basis,at least not yet, for the ban. At least it seems that way to me.

he could have waited for the DoD report to come in, and found some basis in there. Instead his impulsive action is likely the reason, or one reason, the ban is overturned in federal court.
My belief is that he asked around on Day 1 to find out what things POTUS can just do without asking anyone or getting a law written or anything.

Someone told him he's got a lot of power over the military as CiC so he's throwing his weight around.
 

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I think that is what I am saying - there is no basis,at least not yet, for the ban. At least it seems that way to me.

he could have waited for the DoD report to come in, and found some basis in there. Instead his impulsive action is likely the reason, or one reason, the ban is overturned in federal court.
He won't find any basis for it, but, as you said, the military was going through the review, collecting data. One of the biggest complaints that I've heard was Soldiers enlisting for the surgery, then getting out after completion. One recommendation was to add years on the tail end of the surgery. That way a Soldier's first enlistment isn't taken up with the surgery. Then there was the controversy of showering, bathrooms with between gender Soldiers, which there were a few options for that.

Basically, whatever it says in your DEERS, is what B/R they would have to use. In some cases, that would put folks with hanging members down low, yet have bumps up top (language used)..in with a group that may get offended. Think most commanders were becoming content to just give the Soldier the 18 months to do the change, instead of throwing them in causing unnecessary confusion. The remaining concern that was lingering there was a Soldier that may wan to be a woman, look voice and top changed, but keep the member. It's their right, and nobody can make them go any further, if they chose that as the end state. Unfortunately, that was something not going over too well, with anybody.

So, there were some concerns, but it sounded like they were working through it from the last Milper message we received. Trump stepping in was unnecessary, and whoever said we spend more money on Viagra and Cialis...is spot on. Soldiers going through this procedure, that want to serve, need to be able to serve. We have so many in this country that don't serve.
 

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Green thumb for just reading your descriptions. Made me smile! :ezbill:

Also, I agree that it's just Trump trying to be assertive. Making everybody smell his pee, as GMR would say.
 

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That's dated the 25th. This latest move by Mattis is just today. I'm not sure what effect is has on the part of the order affecting medical procedures, but for the moment it looks like Mattis is standing up to Trump with regard to kicking trans out of the military.
 

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That's dated the 25th. This latest move by Mattis is just today. I'm not sure what effect is has on the part of the order affecting medical procedures, but for the moment it looks like Mattis is standing up to Trump with regard to kicking trans out of the military.
Hopefully this doesn't end with the ouster of Mattis, as he is one of the few sane influences in this administration.
 

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