Ukraine (42 Viewers)

[Mr. Sparkle]

The only way he is getting #9 is if Ukraine joins NATO. He had security guarantees from russia before the invasion, any guarantees now and in the future are suspect at best. russia/putin will say, "sure, we promise never to attack you again. (under their breath, unless you become infiltrated with nazis or satan worshippers.)" and then have belarus fabricate something to give them an excuse to step in and "protect" the people of Ukraine from evil.

The plan Zelensky mentions (the Kyiv Security Compact) is modeled on security guarantees provided to Israel and recognizes that full membership in NATO and the requisite Article 5 defense mutual defense obligations would carry too much of a risk for direct NATO-Russian conflict.

Ukraine Wants to Be NATO’s Friend—With Benefits

Spearheaded by a former NATO chief, the Kyiv Security Compact would put Western security guarantees in writing—but it might be too much for Washington to…

foreignpolicy.com

 

[efil4stnias]

Zelensky's proposed 10 point peace plan that he just presented to the G-20 (or as he calls it the G-19 )

Biggest takeaways IMO are that he's dropped Russian regime change as a precondition and also appears to have dropped NATO membership as a condition. I doubt this will go anywhere soon but it's something.

President Zelenskyy’s 10-point peace formula, full text of speech to G20 in Bali

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy presented a 10-point peace plan to the G20 overnight on Nov. 15, taking the diplomatic initiative to match the battlefield initiative Ukrainian forces took with their counter-offensives in Ukraine.

www.yahoo.com

he didnt drop NATO membership in totality. He dropped it as a "short term" goal and replaced with the Kyiv Security Compact ( co -authored by former NATO Secretary General )

Ukraine Wants to Be NATO’s Friend—With Benefits

Spearheaded by a former NATO chief, the Kyiv Security Compact would put Western security guarantees in writing—but it might be too much for Washington to…

foreignpolicy.com

Having read all the conditions, none seem exorbitant, so the ball is fully in Russias court. Which we already know their reply.

They buying time to regroup, dig in, populate the annexed areas in an attempt to "squat" and say " you cant deport 100s of thousands NOW.

its a game to them, and thier citizenry are the pawns.

 

[DaveXA]

Why would UAF even want to put troops there? They'd pretty much be stranded and exposed and trying to move troops through that area (where there's no cover) would likely result in high casualty rates for little to no gain.

Every time I see UAF, I think Ukrainian Air Force when it's actually Ukranian Armoured Forces.

 

[rail]

 

[DaveXA]

That sheet makes me seasick, lol.

 

[boutte]

Excellent piece from Russia expert Anne Applebaum.

The Russian Empire Must Die

A better future requires Putin’s defeat—and the end to imperial aspirations.

www.theatlantic.com

Great article.

 

[boutte]

The plan Zelensky mentions (the Kyiv Security Compact) is modeled on security guarantees provided to Israel and recognizes that full membership in NATO and the requisite Article 5 defense mutual defense obligations would carry too much of a risk for direct NATO-Russian conflict.

Ukraine Wants to Be NATO’s Friend—With Benefits

Spearheaded by a former NATO chief, the Kyiv Security Compact would put Western security guarantees in writing—but it might be too much for Washington to…

foreignpolicy.com

Best idea I've heard in a long time. Doubt it happens though.

 

[boutte]

Lot of F bombs but good stuff.

 

[town123]

Excellent piece from Russia expert Anne Applebaum.

The Russian Empire Must Die

A better future requires Putin’s defeat—and the end to imperial aspirations.

www.theatlantic.com

Great read.. thx for that

 

[efil4stnias]

Looks like Lavrov has left the G20 early. Upon heels of the 100 or so cruise missile strikes against Ukraine ( with many hitting civilian targets- YET AGAIN)

 

[superchuck500]

Looks like Lavrov has left the G20 early. Upon heels of the 100 or so cruise missile strikes against Ukraine ( with many hitting civilian targets- YET AGAIN)

That dude is such a choad. I remember when he was considered civil and right-minded.

Burn in hell you forking coward sellout.

 

[baarbogast]

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

Przewodów doesn't look to be anywhere near what should be an intended target.

 

[baarbogast]

 

[baarbogast]

I'm in Lublin province, about 150 miles from where they hit.