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If that caption is to be believed that happened ten miles into Russia. That would be Ukrainians shelling that village from across the border.

That would also indicate that Ukrainian forces have taken back a lot more territory north of Kharkiv than most of the mapper folks have been indicating.
I'm an eye for an eye kinda person so in my opinion their shots were off target
 

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I thought it was done in a way that was civil enough.

What I thought happened was the Ukrainians were demonstrating to the Russian government about what they could do.

I thought those shells were small ones that were carefully aimed to land in an open field intended to scare villagers, not to harm them.

The goal being to have them in turn worry their government about it, to tie up troops an equipment outside of the Ukraine guarding Russia's borders.
 

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What the fork!

Seriously, if you were a Russian soldier/pilot, being handed you father/grandfathers equipment or field rations... would dessertion or insurrection enter your mind?

On another note, having such bad navigation equipment is alarming. A Russian pilot could end up over NATO airspace and start something very ugly.
Nothing wrong with using a GPS unit since they likely have Glonas in the IP
 

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The sooner, the better.
Putin or no Putin, Ukraine has the upper hand. This conflict should only end in one way....the complete withdrawal of all Russian forces from Donbas and Crimea. Don't agree to a ceasefire for "talks". Don't make any concessions on how you run your own country in the future. And never, never, believe anything a Russian diplomat tells you implicitly.
 

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Putin or no Putin, Ukraine has the upper hand. This conflict should only end in one way....the complete withdrawal of all Russian forces from Donbas and Crimea. Don't agree to a ceasefire for "talks". Don't make any concessions on how you run your own country in the future. And never, never, believe anything a Russian diplomat tells you implicitly.
It could end up as a pyrrhic victory for Ukraine. As this article points out Ukraine has still lost significant territory on the South and East. Does Ukraine have the combat power to retake it? I'm not an expert but it would be extremely costly for the Ukrainians as offensive operations cost much more in terms of supply and casualties then defense.
I think that as some point Russia will "claim" victory and set up puppet states. Ukraine likely won't have the combat power to oppose it.
 

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It could end up as a pyrrhic victory for Ukraine. As this article points out Ukraine has still lost significant territory on the South and East. Does Ukraine have the combat power to retake it? I'm not an expert but it would be extremely costly for the Ukrainians as offensive operations cost much more in terms of supply and casualties then defense.
I think that as some point Russia will "claim" victory and set up puppet states. Ukraine likely won't have the combat power to oppose it.

Yeah, that’s not a very good article. I know it’s from Time magazine or whatever, but it reads like it was written by a very young person.
 

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It could end up as a pyrrhic victory for Ukraine. As this article points out Ukraine has still lost significant territory on the South and East. Does Ukraine have the combat power to retake it? I'm not an expert but it would be extremely costly for the Ukrainians as offensive operations cost much more in terms of supply and casualties then defense.
I think that as some point Russia will "claim" victory and set up puppet states. Ukraine likely won't have the combat power to oppose it.
Great Britain didn't stand a chance against Germany either.
 

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Yeah, that’s not a very good article. I know it’s from Time magazine or whatever, but it reads like it was written by a very young person.
Jayanti is an Eastern Europe energy policy expert. She served for ten years as a U.S. diplomat, including as the Energy Chief at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine (2018-2020), and as international energy counsel at the U.S. Department of Commerce (2020-2021). She is currently the Managing Director of Eney, a U.S.-Ukrainian decarbonization company.

 

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Jayanti is an Eastern Europe energy policy expert. She served for ten years as a U.S. diplomat, including as the Energy Chief at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine (2018-2020), and as international energy counsel at the U.S. Department of Commerce (2020-2021). She is currently the Managing Director of Eney, a U.S.-Ukrainian decarbonization company.


Yeah, born 1982. Explains a lot.
 

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Great Britain didn't stand a chance against Germany either.
Apple and oranges IMO. But, I get the David vs. Goliath storyline. Facts are as I see them that Ukraine has put up a great perhaps historic defense and the Russians have proven incapable of major operations. But, try as they might the Ukrainians still have conceded a significate portion of the East and South of the country. As the Time "opinion" article pointed out the Ukrainian economy is in ruin and a lot of their cities and infrastructure has been smashed. They have made strong stands but gains only when the Russian retreated or lack the impetus to sustain their gains.
Only time will tell but considering that Russia smashed the Ukrainian offenses in the Donbass back in 2013-14 (estimated 10,000 Ukrainian killed). I would find it extremely difficult to believe that they have the combat power to push the Russian army back in 2022.
IMO only a political change in Moscow or a complete collapse or mutiny by the Russian army would swing the establishment of one or more puppet states in the Donbass. Again, just my opinion.
 

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