Ukraine (9 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

I don't like telling someone that they can't destroy certain targets.

I suspect there aren't a whole lot of targets we disagree on hitting. There are probably more good targets than they have Himars.

 

[0rion]

Us telling them "no" on a handful of targets is a small price to pay for the Intel and weapon they are using.

 

[baarbogast]

Us telling them "no" on a handful of targets is a small price to pay for the Intel and weapon they are using.

I would like to see is allow them to hit inside of Russia.

 

[0rion]

I would like to see is allow them to hit inside of Russia.

While I understand that I don't think that's the right move. They need to focus on driving Russia out of their own country and not give.russia a reason to go to the next level. I read the reports and twits about how Russia is on their last leg but I tend to think Russia has enough to make this war really really bad given the opportunity.

 

[baarbogast]

Putin's top Russian pilots killed by US-supplied HIMARS: report

One of the Russian pilots' fathers revealed that he believed his son's death was caused by HIMARS, a long-range weapons system from the US.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[baarbogast]

While I understand that I don't think that's the right move. They need to focus on driving Russia out of their own country and not give.russia a reason to go to the next level. I read the reports and twits about how Russia is on their last leg but I tend to think Russia has enough to make this war really really bad given the opportunity.

My thinking is, if we allow Ukraine to fire into Russia then the Russians will pull their artillery back.

It can also destroy railroad tracks and depots.

 

[baarbogast]

 

[baarbogast]

 

[baarbogast]

 

[Consigliere]

While I understand that I don't think that's the right move. They need to focus on driving Russia out of their own country and not give.russia a reason to go to the next level...

That is the conventional wisdom but I disagree. To restrict attacks in Russia is a form of appeasement.

Russia is already hurting Ukraine the most it possibly can (within the restraints Russia feels, e.g., domestic pressure against a draft, and international pressure about certain weapons). Russia can sit back and cause hell in Ukraine indefinitely while having nothing to lose. It is silly for the West to hold back "or else Putin will get mad." He already is mad!

Ukraine will have a very hard time winning unless it shows the Russians that they have something to lose. This is a war.

 

[Sailorsaint]

It's amazing how no pro-russian individual has been targeted for embezzlement....only those that are independant from the state or who have voiced a differing image from the kremlin....Makes one think that russia is doing something improper....

Rector of top Moscow university put under house arrest

A Russian court has ruled to transfer a university rector from jail to house arrest as he faces embezzlement charges

abcnews.go.com

 

[Sailorsaint]

Putin's rumored girlfriend hit with latest U.S. sanctions

A new round of U.S. sanctions targeting Russian elites includes a woman named in news reports as Vladimir Putin’s longtime romantic partner

abcnews.go.com

 

[gboudx]

Maybe the US is mostly carrying the "no" condition in case UKR wants to target civilian locations inside Russia. An eye-for-eye if you will, since we all know that RUS has no issues targeting UKR civilians.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Maybe the US is mostly carrying the "no" condition in case UKR wants to target civilian locations inside Russia. An eye-for-eye if you will, since we all know that RUS has no issues targeting UKR civilians.

Personally I don't think UKR would entertain the idea of hitting civilian targets anywhere on purpose. They may be fighting for their very lives, but they also have to present a "clean" image to the world and win the media war as well.

 

[gboudx]

Personally I don't think UKR would entertain the idea of hitting civilian targets anywhere on purpose. They may be fighting for their very lives, but they also have to present a "clean" image to the world and win the media war as well.

I agree with you, I don't think they would target civilians either. I can't see the US saying "no" to RUS military targets, unless those targets are inside the terrorist country. I haven't been keeping up, but maybe UKR has already hit military targets inside the terrorist country.