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I have been looking for an undecided voter among all the people I know and only found this one:



Insofar as decided voters changing their minds, I don't think an authenticated video of Trump in a KKK tee shirt snorting cocaine with Putin on a hunting trip shooting endangered tigers and raping Ukrainian women would change the mind of a current Trump voter.

Likewise, I doubt if emails from Clinton were found on Chelsea's housekeeper's ipad who turned out to be an ISIS/Syrian/Russian triple agent, and Hillary denied knowing Chelsea, that would change a Clinton voter mind.


Both sides have their default response to any act of their candidate that would normally torpedo an election. The alternative to my candidate is your candidate, who is worse.

What an awful, crazy election. The only common ground at all is everyone cannot wait for it to be over.
 

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I think a lot of the voters that would be on the fence in a normal election have already decided they're not voting for either of the major candidates, which is why that doofus Gary Johnson is actually getting more than 1% in the polls.
 

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Anyone can photoshop. Clinton lies and is just too stupid to be president this country is becoming socialist. If not now soon. Clinton just hurries it along
 

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Clinton lies and is just too stupid to be president this country is becoming socialist. If not now soon. Clinton just hurries it along
:rolleyes:


Clinton is a "liar" and "stupid". What's next? Is she a dumb head or a poo poo face? Did we just hop in our time machine back to the 4th grade playground?

And here we go again with the "they want to turn our country into a socialist/marxist hellhole" junk. It's sad, tired and needs to be retired.

5 Ways America is Already Socialist
 

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Anyone can photoshop. Clinton lies and is just too stupid to be president this country is becoming socialist. If not now soon. Clinton just hurries it along
Do you think Trump lies less than Clinton? Every site and anyone that pays attention knows that is false. Can you provide a link that proves she lies MORE than Trump? Also, do you think Trump is smarter than Clinton? Again, where's your proof? If it his money, I assure you that there are a million other people that can replicate his "success" if they were given millions to start, had a father in the biz to teach them and prop them up, and got a huge inheritance. That leaves off all of the immoral things he's done to enrich himself such as not paying his contractors, filing bankruptcy to avoid debtors, abused the tax code to avoid income taxes, using his foundation to pay his debts, and used phony businessses such as Trump University. If that's smart, then this country would be in horrible trouble with a "smart" president like him. We thought Bush was dumb and he nearly destroyed our economy and got us in to a dumb war. No telling how much worse a "smart" Trump would be.
 

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:rolleyes:


Clinton is a "liar" and "stupid". What's next? Is she a dumb head or a poo poo face? Did we just hop in our time machine back to the 4th grade playground?

And here we go again with the "they want to turn our country into a socialist/marxist hellhole" junk. It's sad, tired and needs to be retired.

5 Ways America is Already Socialist
Like I said in a thread a while back, as much as it pains me to say and do, HRC is the only way I can see voting this election. I am no fan of hers at all and think she is the second worse candidate of all time, BUT she is running against the first. The wife and I voted for her already and i hope the poles aren't correct saying he is pulling even or even ahead. As most of you know I'm a pretty firm republican but I am an American first. I am all about shaking up DC and our political system but don't think a billionaire is any different. That is far from my only reason for not voting for him but the others have been hammered here repeatedly so no need to rehatch. I am on the train with wanting this to hurry up and be over....this election has really brought out the 4 year old in A LOT of people. My kids are at the ages of starting to understand these things and this is their first real look at what our system is. That's saddening.
 

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Like I said in a thread a while back, as much as it pains me to say and do, HRC is the only way I can see voting this election. I am no fan of hers at all and think she is the second worse candidate of all time, BUT she is running against the first. The wife and I voted for her already and i hope the poles aren't correct saying he is pulling even or even ahead. As most of you know I'm a pretty firm republican but I am an American first. I am all about shaking up DC and our political system but don't think a billionaire is any different. That is far from my only reason for not voting for him but the others have been hammered here repeatedly so no need to rehatch. I am on the train with wanting this to hurry up and be over....this election has really brought out the 4 year old in A LOT of people. My kids are at the ages of starting to understand these things and this is their first real look at what our system is. That's saddening.
We need more people that think like you, brother. :9: I know it's hard. I also know I'm a partisan, but I'm pretty disappointed in my Republican friends who know Trump is terrible, but will actually vote for him or third party because they've convinced themselves Clinton's worse, or they've bought into the false equivalency of both being equally bad.
 

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I'm still undecided on whether to vote Clinton or third party. There is no scenario where I'm voting for Trump, so I've decided that much.
If you live in a battleground/swing state, I truly believe it is your patriotic duty to vote for Clinton, even if you're a conservative. I posted a Michael Gerson op-ed making the case for this in another thread yesterday. Here is David Frum's opinion, for what it's worth:

That Donald Trump has approached so near the White House is a bitter reproach to everybody who had the power to stop him. I include myself in this reproach. Early on, I welcomed Trump’s up-ending of some outdated Republican Party dogmas—taking it for granted that of course such a ridiculous and obnoxious fraud could never win a major party’s nomination. But Trump did win. Now, he stands within a percentage point or two or at most four of the presidency of the United States.

Having failed to act promptly at the outset, it’s all the more important to act decisively before it’s too late. The lesson Trump has taught is not only that certain Republican dogmas have passed out of date, but that American democracy itself is much more vulnerable than anyone would have believed only 24 months ago. Incredibly, a country that—through wars and depression—so magnificently resisted the authoritarian temptations of the mid-20th century has half-yielded to a more farcical version of that same threat without any of the same excuse. The hungry and houseless Americans of the Great Depression sustained a constitutional republic. How shameful that the Americans of today—so vastly better off in so many ways, despite their undoubted problems—have done so much less well.

I have no illusions about Hillary Clinton. I expect policies that will seem to me at best counter-productive, at worst actively harmful. America needs more private-market competition in healthcare, not less; lighter regulation of enterprise, not heavier; reduced immigration, not expanded; lower taxes, not higher. On almost every domestic issue, I stand on one side; she stands on the other. I do not imagine that she will meet me, or those who think like me, anywhere within a country mile of half-way.

But she is a patriot. She will uphold the sovereignty and independence of the United States. She will defend allies. She will execute the laws with reasonable impartiality. She may bend some rules for her own and her supporters’ advantage. She will not outright defy legality altogether. Above all, she can govern herself; the first indispensable qualification for governing others.

So I will vote for the candidate who rejects my preferences and offends my opinions. (In fact, I already have voted for her.) Previous generations accepted infinitely heavier sacrifices and more dangerous duties to defend democracy. I’ll miss the tax cut I’d get from united Republican government. But there will be other elections, other chances to vote for what I regard as more sensible policies. My party will recover to counter her agenda in Congress, moderate her nominations to the courts, and defeat her bid for re-election in 2020. I look forward to supporting Republican recovery and renewal.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/dont-gamble-on-trump/506207/
 

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I saw somebody quoted as saying this, and I wish I could remember who it was, but it was basically:

"You know things have gotten bad when the two candidates for president are basically running on a platform of "Hey, at least I'm not the other guy!"
 

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