Underhill: “Rattler has the slight edge in starting QB battle heading into Minicamp” Jackson 6/11: “Rattler has slight edge going into Training Camp” (3 Viewers)

[lilvipa221]

A 2nd round pick ain’t better than the 5th round pick that went 0-6 last season?

What does being a second round pick have to do with anything? They are both going to end up having the same type of career, ceiling is a high level backup.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

OK wins are not a QB stat because a w/l also depends on defense st . And if we follow that logic passing yds is not a QB stat either because it also depends on the receiver, actually are they any stats that are solely QB stats

 

[Chopper Man]

I really dont have a preference on who wins the job but I will say that it is also which QB is a better fit for the offensive system they want to run. The skill sets of Rattler and Shough are vastly different. Until they go pads on and the pressure is real we really dont know who is going to win the job. Right now it is close IMO.

 

[Bayou_City]

I really dont have a preference on who wins the job but I will say that it is also which QB is a better fit for the offensive system they want to run. The skill sets of Rattler and Shough are vastly different. Until they go pads on and the pressure is real we really dont know who is going to win the job. Right now it is close IMO.

Not close cause Rattler hasn't thrown an INT yet ..Shough the "GodKing" of SR.con has 3 INTs.

Not close at all....unless ya bias

 

[football]

Not close cause Rattler hasn't thrown an INT yet ..Shough the "GodKing" of SR.con has 3 INTs.

Not close at all....unless ya bias

Where did you read that he had 3 int?

 

[Bayou_City]

Where did you read that he had 3 int?

I did the math from the media reports when media was allowed to show up and view practices.

 

[football]

I did the math from the media reports when media was allowed to show up and view practices.

I know of just one

 

[TribuneUK]

I know of just one

Nice of Rattler to match him with one today. That's a team right there.

But seriously, all these accusations of bias are very tired. Cheer for all the QBs and ditch this fortress mentality.

 

[Tulsa Saint]

I think Rattler and Shough have been about even so far.

There will be the most interesting pre season games maybe ever coming up in August.

 

[Merl]

Not close cause Rattler hasn't thrown an INT yet ..Shough the "GodKing" of SR.con has 3 INTs.

Not close at all....unless ya bias

ROFL! Look who is bias. Really beginning to wonder if your related to Rattler.

i.am.you g to.wait.until after the 3 pre-season games to.decide who.is better to run what it looks like what K. Moore intends to run as his offense.

 

[StudioSaint]

Call it what you want, but it would be silly to deny that some people have certain strong confidence and leadership traits that people gravitate towards or even fear while there are others that tend to prefer to follow and aren’t natural leader types.

Human social interaction is a very complex dynamic. It's silly to think that there is a universal set of "leadership traits." The traits one group of people admire can be the same traits that another group of people despise. The same is true for "strong confidence" traits. It would be silly to believe that the complexities of human interaction is simplistic.

A team full of players who don't need a "leader" to be do and give their best will win more, than a team with a bunch of players that need a leader to get them to do and giver their best.

Don’t get so hung up in the “alpha” versus “beta” terminology and focus on their meanings in the context of human/social leadership traits.

I'm not hung up on terminology. I talking about the mistaken and incorrect ideas and beliefs that the terminology represents. "Human/social leadership" traits are a very complex dynamic and we don't understand them nearly as well as we think we do.

Yes, we all know we aren’t exactly naturally programmed like wolves in the wild and our leadership traits instead come from social conditioning.

Here's the things, wolves aren't programmed like some mistakenly believe they are. The "alpha male" wolf is a myth. Different wolf packs have very different social dynamics. Some are organized around females and some are organized around group collaboration in which different wolves take the lead in different situations.

An NFL team organized around group collaboration has a better chance of sustained success, than one organized around a central personality.

 

[StudioSaint]

Clearly no such thing as confidence, testosterone, leadership ability or XX/XY chromosomes.

None of those things have any constant, consistent effect on human social dynamics. Estrogen and non-XY chromosome have just as much "leadership" impact on human and animal social interaction as anything else. Some wolf packs are matriarchal in structure, just like some human societies are matriarchal. There is no universal traits or truths. That's the myth.

 

[St. Geezy]

Human social interaction is a very complex dynamic. It's silly to think that there is a universal set of "leadership traits." The traits one group of people admire can be the same traits that another group of people despise. The same is true for "strong confidence" traits. It would be silly to believe that the complexities of human interaction is simplistic.

A team full of players who don't need a "leader" to be do and give their best will win more, than a team with a bunch of players that need a leader to get them to do and giver their best.


I'm not hung up on terminology. I talking about the mistaken and incorrect ideas and beliefs that the terminology represents. "Human/social leadership" traits are a very complex dynamic and we don't understand them nearly as well as we think we do.


Here's the things, wolves aren't programmed like some mistakenly believe they are. The "alpha male" wolf is a myth. Different wolf packs have very different social dynamics. Some are organized around females and some are organized around group collaboration in which different wolves take the lead in different situations.

An NFL team organized around group collaboration has a better chance of sustained success, than one organized around a central personality.

So are you really going this deep to say that leadership traits, confidence, and “Management material” aren’t a thing?

 

[StudioSaint]

So are you really going this deep to say that leadership traits, confidence, and “Management material” aren’t a thing?

No, I'm not saying that all. I was clear in what I said. None of what you are saying has anything to do with the myth of the "alpha male."

There are no universal "leadership traits." "Leadership" traits are decided by the "followers" and different "followers" gravitate toward very different personality traits. The same is true for "management material." Someone who is an effective manager in one situation, can be very ineffective in another situation.

"Leadership" and confidence don't go hand in hand. Some "followers" choose to follow people who are insecure and driven by fear.