Underhill thinks Carr will be Saints starter [mod edit: Moore-Carr meeting went well; Saints plan is to keep Carr in 2025 & figure out contract] (92 Viewers)

[silverbullet]

The Saints are doing exactly what the pelicans are doing that’s failed. Trying o compete while rebuilding. Just stop.

Accept that you’re not good. Clear dead weight. Fix the cap. Get the qb.

All of the rest of this garbage is just shifting seats on the deck of the titanic.

But I guess it works because most of this board seems to think this talent bereft roster can win 10 games despite not having a single pro bowl caliber player on either side of the ball.

Loomis made a good hire at HC imo. Now get out the way and let the team do a hard reset and purge.

 

[DSnfla]

It won't be the latter. We have an issue at Safety and we need to resign Paulson and Juwan. I think something to monitor is the T position. I know everyone is high on the year Penning had, and I think he improved...the proof was in the pudding. However, The TE position didn't come alive until Rattler came in and that seemed to coincide w/ his ability to move/create. When Carr was in the team was much more concerned w/ helping Penning.

If the Saints made a move a T and allowed Juwan to walk but drafted the TE from Penn State I think it would help the team overall vs just assuming Penning is the starting RT. Doesn't matter if it's a RT or a LT that allows Fuaga to move back to RT.

Could it be that the TE position came alive because JJ and Foster were the only familiar receiving weapons that were left after Shaheed and Olave went out?
CKM said this about Penning"But we feel like he’s progressing in a really good path at right tackle, and certainly we feel like there’s a path there and we’ll handle it accordingly.”

 

[Taker597]

It does, and that money is guaranteed regardless. When you restructure $30m in salary and $10m in bonus, you have to leave a league minimum salary of $1,255,000 AND the 2025 portion of the prorated bonus of the restructure has to be added on the the existing prorated bonus for 2025 as well. That leaves his 2025 numbers looking like this.



His 2026 numbers would then look like this if we kept him.



If we cut him in 2026 because we won't want to pay him $50m in salary and a $69,207,000 cap hit for the 20th best QB in the NFL, we would have to take his prorated bonus from 2026, 2027, 2028 and 2029 and add them up. Those are $19,207,000 in 2026, $19,207,000 in 2027, $13,507,000 in 2028 and 7,749,000 in 2029. That adds up to $59,670,000 in dead money. I'll show all of the tabs below.

I wouldn't be shocked if this new restructure turns into a void extension restructure from the chatter that it wasn't going to be a typical restructure.

Seems like the plan is to dodge a 2026 cap hit in favor of a 2027 and 2028 void hit.

 

[Elvis]

I wouldn't be shocked if this new restructure turns into a void extension restructure from the chatter that it wasn't going to be a typical restructure.

Seems like the plan is to dodge a 2026 cap hit in favor of a 2027 and 2028 void hit.

Which means at least 2 more years of Carr at big money and wasting the first 2 years of Kellen Moore's time with the team. Seems pretty silly when we could be clear of all of this and the old players contracts in 13 months if we just took the June 1 designation option.

 

[StudioSaint]

Loomis made a good hire at HC imo. Now get out the way and let the team do a hard reset and purge.

Moore is choosing which players he wants to keep. Loomis will make what Moore wants work in regards to the salary cap.

 

[DerrickB]

Winning 8-9 games in 2025 just makes you miss on top QB prospects. I'm not saying we should tank but thats exactly what Carr is gonna give you if everything goes well. He has been in the league 11'ish years, what more do you need to find out?

We'll see what they do with the restructure but dear god, let this be the last year of this crap.

It depends on how many prospects are available in the first round

 

[DSnfla]

I'd really like a new GM, but that's just not in the cards this year. Maybe he retires in a few years but who really knows. So, I just hope that Loomis has learned his lesson in the last few years, gets the cap reset by next year, and stops trading up in the draft. He hasn't always done things as poorly as he did in the last few years so hopefully he reverts to being the solid GM he was with Payton.

C'mon man , you know ML didn't walk in to the war room on draft day and say " I think we'll trade up to get Davenport " Or " let me call Roseman and trade to get an extra 1st this yr and give up too much to get it"
That was SP and DA telling him what they wanted and for him to make it happen

 

[Jd101]

Bolded is what's likely, given the current FO's MO.

Key question for Moore this first year is "What do you want your first year to look like?"

You can't put this on Moore. This is an inherited problem.

 

[StudioSaint]

Which means at least 2 more years of Carr at big money and wasting the first 2 years of Kellen Moore's time with the team.

Moore chose Carr and he wouldn't have done that if he thought Carr would be wasting the first 2 years of his first time head coach gig.

Trust Moore's opinion or someone on the internet? I'm going with Moore every time. If he had chosen Rattler over Carr, then I would have thought, "trust Moore's opinion or mine?" I'm going with Moore's opinion over mine every time.

 

[StudioSaint]

If Carr is cut in 2026 and they restructure like $27 million this year. Carr would count $72.8 million against us over the next three years while not on the team.

There's a glitch in your post. You quoted Elvis, but it shows you quoted DSnfla

 

[NatureBoy]

It has been said that these contract talks will go beyond just simple restructure talks. What are your thoughts on what that means?

Carr has already said he's not taking a pay cut.

That really leaves 2 options.

1. Cut him (post June 1 or not)

2. Restructure

Thats what I think. You can package and verbalize a restructure any way you'd like, but if Carr says he's not taking a pay cut, it will have to be some form of kick the can. I'm sure Mickey's brand of logic will try to make it sound different, but it is what it is.

 

[Taker597]

Which means at least 2 more years of Carr at big money and wasting the first 2 years of Kellen Moore's time with the team. Seems pretty silly when we could be clear of all of this and the old players contracts in 13 months if we just took the June 1 designation option.

If Carr is cut in 2026 and they restructure like $27 million this year. Carr would count $72.8 million against us over the next three years while not on the team..

2026 - $28.4
2027 - $22.1
2028 - $22.1

That's an non-QB all-pro caliber player salary in dead cap. It's much easier to stomach, but 3 years is a long time to eat a bad contract.

 

[Taker597]

There's a glitch in your post. You quoted Elvis, but it shows you quoted DSnfla

Thank you! Odd glitch. Much appreciated.

 

[Nolan]

Yawn if this is the route they go. Just boring and predictable and it'll likely end in more treading water. We'll learn nothing about our young QB under our new HC. We'll pick anywhere between 8 and 20. And we'll restructure contracts that already have void years on it resulting in us paying a handful of guys in 2028 and beyond when they won't even be on the roster anymore. It's just kinda cringe.

 

[Taker597]

Carr has already said he's not taking a pay cut.

That really leaves 2 options.

1. Cut him (post June 1 or not)

2. Restructure

Thats what I think. You can package and verbalize a restructure any way you'd like, but if Carr says he's not taking a pay cut, it will have to be some form of kick the can. I'm sure Mickey's brand of logic will try to make it sound different, but it is what it is.

3. Void extension seems to be the one avenue that makes the most sense.