Underhill thinks Carr will be Saints starter [mod edit: Moore-Carr meeting went well; Saints plan is to keep Carr in 2025 & figure out contract] (113 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

2027 and beyond is when real franchise QBs will be available. In the last two years or so there have been some ideal top recruits that are more likely to be much better in the NFL.

I don't think this year has true franchise QB. Ward IMO has the best chance to turn into one and Sanders could end up developing into a top ten to top 15 guy just outside of the franchise level. (Much like Carr) Outside of those two, there are boom or bust types that seem more likely to bust like Millroe and Dart. IMO, you should always be taking lottery tickets on QBs in the draft because you never know when you get lucky and hit on one.

Also, you never know when a guy is going to take a big leap in one year in college and turn into an elite prospect so there could be one in the draft next year even though I think Manning does not enter the draft until he graduates. Guys like Burrow, Daniels, and Nix sometimes develop in their last year to become elite prospect in the draft out of nowhere. So, you never know which year that happens. It didn't appear to happen this year but it could happen next year with Nuss, Jr., Drew Allar, or any number of other guys we aren't even thinking about right now.

Anyway, the Saints should not let keeping Carr this year stop them from drafting a QB in the draft this year if they see one they like and they are in position to draft him with good value.

 

[St. Widge]

The issue is not rolling with Carr next year, that's a practical choice given our cap situation. The problem is committing to Carr financially past next year due to Mick's illogical cap philosophy for team rebuilding.

I mean we don't know how they are going to handle Carr's contract or what other moves will be made around it. I'm not a fan of keeping Carr this year or of using his contract to create cap space by pushing money further into the future, but let's see what they end up doing and how it fits into the overall cap implications for the next few years before we just assume it's a disasterous move.

 

[soggymoss84]

This reads like they want him to take a paycut

 

[Pkessling]

Obviously this tweet falls in the realm of “FWIW,” but obviously Nick is as dialed-in as anyone, so I figured it was worth posting.

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It appears that Loomis is still calling all the shots on personnel. Another wasted season coming.

 

[St. Widge]

Exactly what I'm hoping for at this point.....the other possibility is that perhaps KM likes a QB in the draft to eventually take over....

The rumor is that they really like Cam Ward but they think the cost to go get him is too high. They also apparently like Sanders, but not really at #9 and would like him a lot more in the second round or last first.

But, maybe there is another 2nd to 4th round guy they like such as Dart, Milroe, McCord, or Howard?

 

[No2DC]

I mean we don't know how they are going to handle Carr's contract or what other moves will be made around it. I'm not a fan of keeping Carr this year or of using his contract to create cap space by pushing money further into the future, but let's see what they end up doing and how it fits into the overall cap implications for the next few years before we just assume it's a disasterous move.

That's true. However, we know Carr has stated he's not taking a cut, so that only leaves restructuring (kicking it down the road) as the most likely outcome. I get the "we don't know perspective. However, there are some reasonable assumptions we are operating with.

 

[St. Widge]

It appears that Loomis is still calling all the shots on personnel. Another wasted season coming.

What about this makes you think it was Loomis' decision and not either solely Moore's decision or a joint decision between Moore and Loomis?

 

[St. Widge]

That's true. However, we know Carr has stated he's not taking a cut, so that only leaves restructuring (kicking it down the road) as the most likely outcome. I get the "we don't know perspective. However, there are some reasonable assumptions we are operating with.

As I have said many times since yesterday, Carr saying he won't take a pay cut doesn't mean that he won't take a pay cut. I'm not saying he will but if his agent looks around the league and sees that if he gets cut there won't be money anywhere close to what he would make with the Satins even with a pay cut, he might reconsider.

Is it likely? Probably not, but I do think it's still on the tabel.

And even with the restructure there are ways for them to get cap compliant without restructuring all of Carr's current salary so it's possible it won't be as bad as we fear even if all they do is the normal conversion of salary to bonus.

 

[Mojomajik9]

When Loomis was asked specifically whether he feels there is still a decision to be made about Carr’s status on the team (with $40 million due in salary and roster bonus), Loomis said: “I think we feel like we've got a guy we can win with, and we're excited about him.”

When asked if the size of Carr’s salary could factor into that, Loomis said, “Well, the size of salaries always factor into everything, right? It's just the nature of the game right now, but, yeah, we'll manage that.”

This is from Trip’s piece on NOF. Maybe I’m just reading this wrong but I don’t see this as a huge endorsement of Carr or his future with the team. I wouldn’t expect him to say “yeah, we’re cutting him” or they’re exploring trade options. I dunno. It feels like a very generic statement that leaves all options on the table. If Carr stays they can say he’s a quality player they can live with. If they do part ways they can point to the financials.

If I had to bet I’d say it looks like he’ll more than likely stay for one more year. However, Loomis left wiggle room here in case something changes.

 

[St. Widge]

And the next poster who says "you weren't there in the team meetings, i.e. 'shaddup,' " will be the first poster on my ignore list in the 21+ years I've been here.

So tempted.

 

[St. Widge]

This is from Trip’s piece on NOF. Maybe I’m just reading this wrong but I don’t see this as a huge endorsement of Carr or his future with the team. I wouldn’t expect him to say “yeah, we’re cutting him” or they’re exploring trade options. I dunno. It feels like a very generic statement that leaves all options on the table. If Carr stays they can say he’s a quality player they can live with. If they do part ways they can point to the financials.

If I had to bet I’d say it looks like he’ll more than likely stay for one more year. However, Loomis left wiggle room here in case something changes.

Truthfully none of the things said yesterday by Loomis or Moore mean that can't change their mind and cut Carr if they can't figure out a financial deal that makes sense for the team and Carr. If he refuses to do anything to help the cap outside of converting salary to bonus or things get contentious, they could still decide to walk away from Carr even with what was said yesterday.

I don't think it's likely and I do think Carr stays with some sort of rework on his contract, but if talks break down I think Loomis and Moore left some small amount of room to move on.

 

[texasjefe]

Just last week in Elvis's thread about how the Saints should cut Carr with a June 1st designation, you were in full support of it. You basically said the Saints had no choice but to cut Carr and that they would. Now you're saying they couldn't cut Carr because the dead money?


I can only speak for myself, but when I point out the objective factual reality that none of here have nearly as much information as Loomis, Moore and Carr, I'm saying "take that into consideration." I'm not saying "shaddup."

Why do people grandstand with threats of putting people on ignore? Just do it and go about your business. No need to announce it.

And for a few weeks before Elvis convinced me they could, I had consistently said they would have to keep Carr.

I'm not into the 'was I right, was I wrong' game. I carried and expressed anger because when I looked at the cap/dead cap current and past, I was pissed by not seeing a healthy spreadsheet until 2027. That would be clear grounds for firing of the GM. He gambled on DA and aging vets and we all lost in the quicksand pit of loser mediocrity.

But he's safe here, that's the reality. It took me years to understand the dead cap and not be further deluded by him about getting under the cap while ensuring an underpaid, depthless roster compared to other teams. And paired in matrimony with the year-over-year significant mortgaging of future cap space. I would estimate 80%+ of the fanbase knows little to nothing about the dead caps.

We spend gobs of our time here because we love the Saints and frankly, we deserve to win more and not be burdened by one man's myopic ego. The fact that season-ticket holders pay thousands each year and then get trapped by that major family expense and their love for the team is freaking disgusting. Unfair. Anger and blame justified. I will never not give voice to what I strongly believe.

Don't be that guy who says to anyone 'your opinion is not valid because you are not in the room where Loomis works.' We all analyze, speculate, and debate with strong emotion because we love the New Orleans Saints as a cultural bedrock in our souls. Andrus gave us this sandbox nearly 30 years ago for the same exact reason.

 

[Taker597]

This reads like they want him to take a paycut

Would be peak Carr if we void restructure him to give him $30 Milly lump sum and by June/July request a trade lol

 

[VolSaint]

It is... Only three QB has had any success post 35. Brees, Brady, and Rodgers. Everyone else had an immediate decline.

Brett Farve and Matt Stafford immediately come to mind

 

[soggymoss84]

Would be peak Carr if we void restructure him to give him $30 Milly lump sum and by June/July request a trade lol

They could take his salary and break it down into 15 million this season and 15 million next season but guarantee it while having a voided contract. That would give Carr his entire salary while giving cap relief, and still make it more attractive for a team to trade for him as he would have a reduced cap hit this season for receiving team (15 million), and only carry a 15 million dead cap hit next season or they could rework his deal if they keep him.

It would be a win win for Saints and Carr IMO, while dropping his 61 million cap hit next season to somewhere around 38 million (all dead money), and he becomes a FA next offseason. Not ideal scenario, but not the worst.