Underhill thinks Carr will be Saints starter [mod edit: Moore-Carr meeting went well; Saints plan is to keep Carr in 2025 & figure out contract] (87 Viewers)

[silverbullet]

What do you consider a wasted season? Because it sounds like many in this thread are calling for a "wasted season" to be more aggressive about clearing the cap sooner. Do we want to try to win or not try to win? And which direction is a wasted season. This is confusing.

Or is this just more general Loomis bashing?

Absolutely do NOT try to win this season. Every win moves you further from your next chance to win anything meaningful.

You need a qb.

Quickest way to get one is to lose and get the no. 1 pick or as close as you can.

0 wins > 5

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Now reports are saying Mickey being MORE aggressive in FA!!
CAN WE GO GET MYLES GARRETT!!

This is the exact opposite of what we need.

The LAST thing we need is to mortgage our future for an aging expensive win now player with this many holes in our roster.

We need to rebuild!

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

And I mostly agree, but I'd rather have pick 5 than a win over the Giants....

Thank you! I have no clue why anyone would think otherwise.

A top 5 pick gets us a premier player.

There's a MASSIVE drop off after Tet, Hunter, Carter, and Graham. A QB will go in the top 5 and would drop one of those players to us.

 

[No2DC]

Not sure he's trying to figure out a way to only win 7-8 games, but he doesn't seem to be paying any attention to what other teams that are contenders every year are doing. He has his method that doesn't work very well and he sticks to it. The good news is that he is the oldest GM in the league that isn't Jerry Jones and should be gone soon enough.

Sad but true. Older people do not get "less set in their ways"

 

[St. Widge]

This is the exact opposite of what we need.

The LAST thing we need is to mortgage our future for an aging expensive win now player with this many holes in our roster.

We need to rebuild!

Yeah, I'm not happy with the Carr decision or talk about spending in free agency, although Underhill and Tripp tempered that a bit saying that Mickey still says he's in soft reset mode and will be careful to keep working on getting the cap right so I don't think the plan is for old high priced vets. But, yeah, Garrette would not be the move. Hopefully if they spend in free agency it won't be crazy and they do deals for young players with big upside like the did with Gay last year. That didn't work out great, but it was the right idea. Even Young would have been a good idea had they not added void years to his contract.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Yeah, I'm not happy with the Carr decision or talk about spending in free agency, although Underhill and Tripp tempered that a bit saying that Mickey still says he's in soft reset mode and will be careful to keep working on getting the cap right so I don't think the plan is for old high priced vets. But, yeah, Garrette would not be the move. Hopefully if they spend in free agency it won't be crazy and they do deals for young players with big upside like the did with Gay last year. That didn't work out great, but it was the right idea. Even Young would have been a good idea had they not added void years to his contract.

I don't even understand this idea of a "soft reset". Mickey wants to be just good enough to miss out on a potential franchise changing draft pick???

What's the logic there??

Sure it's never a guarantee you'll find your franchise guy but you never will if you don't try. And another .500 give or take season doesn't help anything.

 

[kcirdor]

Absolutely do NOT try to win this season. Every win moves you further from your next chance to win anything meaningful.

You need a qb.

Quickest way to get one is to lose and get the no. 1 pick or as close as you can.

0 wins > 5

 

[St. Geezy]

I don't even understand this idea of a "soft reset". Mickey wants to be just good enough to miss out on a potential franchise changing draft pick???

What's the logic there??

Sure it's never a guarantee you'll find your franchise guy but you never will if you don't try. And another .500 give or take season doesn't help anything.

Absolutely do NOT try to win this season. Every win moves you further from your next chance to win anything meaningful.

You need a qb.

Quickest way to get one is to lose and get the no. 1 pick or as close as you can.

0 wins > 5

I know this is the Saints’ first foray into this deep sub-500 realm in quite some time, but teams just don’t operate like this the way people here seem to believe.

No one is going into a year intending to pick early in round 1 or go out of their way to make moves to assure it. It’s just not a thing.

It happens on accident and maybe towards the end of the year you start making efforts, but not in the off-season.

This whole “get massive cap space” + intentionally go after a high draft pick as a path to guaranteed riches thing is nonsense that teams internally just don’t operate by.

And many of the VERY few teams that have gone down this misguided path and operated that way have seen that plan backfire and turn into a 10+ year project.

 

[St. Widge]

I don't even understand this idea of a "soft reset". Mickey wants to be just good enough to miss out on a potential franchise changing draft pick???

What's the logic there??

Sure it's never a guarantee you'll find your franchise guy but you never will if you don't try. And another .500 give or take season doesn't help anything.

Given Mickey's willingness to trade future assets to move up in the draft, I'm not sure he values higher picks as much as fans do. Or at least he values being a competitive team over having higher draft picks.

And from his point of view he had lower draft picks for 15 years and they still managed to be a Super Bowl contender for most of those years.

I don't think we are in that spot now, mostly because we don't have the QB we need and we don't know if Moore can be another Payton, but I think that's how he sees it. And, if he can somehow find that QB without losing enough to get a top 5 pick, then it could end up working out.

Beyond that, tanking is no guarantee of future success. Lots of teams like Cleveland and the Jets (even the Lions) were in tank mode for 20 or 30 years. Sometimes it's better to stay mediocre and wait for a great draft like 2017 or get lucky drafting a great QB. It's kind of how it worked for K.C. and Philly. The Texans hit rock bottom and got lucky on a QB. But at this point they are really only back to mediocre. Who knows if they ever get beyond that.

Honestly, we picked the worst year to only win 5 games. If we did that in most years we might be picking in the top 5.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I know this is the Saints’ first foray into this deep sub-500 realm in quite some time, but teams just don’t operate like this the way people here seem to believe.

No one is going into a year intending to pick early in round 1 or go out of their way to make moves to assure it. It’s just not a thing.

Which is fine. You don't have to try and tank but you can absolutely not be delusional and try to force something that isn't reasonable.

Last offseason was a great example.

This whole “get massive cap space” + intentionally go after a high draft pick as a path to guaranteed riches thing is nonsense that teams internally just don’t operate by.

Nobody is asking to "get massive cap space" how about we just start with not being 40+ million over the cap year after year?

And many of the few teams that have gone down this misguided path and operated that way have seen that plan backfire and turn into a 10+ year project.

How is that any worse that what we are doing? I'd much rather try for greatness then whatever this year after year going nowhere we are currently doing is.

 

[St. Geezy]

Last offseason was a great example.


Nobody is asking to "get massive cap space" how about we just start with not being 40+ million over the cap year after year?


How is that any worse that what we are doing? I'd much rather try for greatness then whatever this year after year going nowhere we are currently doing is.

Boo hoo, your favorite football team is trying to actually win games. Oh the humanity!

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Boo hoo, your favorite football team is trying to actually win games. Oh the humanity!

Trying and failing. Hence the reason it's a discussion.

 

[Taker597]

Yeah, I'm not happy with the Carr decision or talk about spending in free agency, although Underhill and Tripp tempered that a bit saying that Mickey still says he's in soft reset mode and will be careful to keep working on getting the cap right so I don't think the plan is for old high priced vets. But, yeah, Garrette would not be the move. Hopefully if they spend in free agency it won't be crazy and they do deals for young players with big upside like the did with Gay last year. That didn't work out great, but it was the right idea. Even Young would have been a good idea had they not added void years to his contract.

They seem pretty torn on Loomis decision to keep pushing the cap.

 

[St. Widge]

They seem pretty torn on Loomis decision to keep pushing the cap.

Yeah, I don't think they are fans of it. I'm just saying that they pointed out that Loomis is still mentioning that he is still trying to get the cap under control and that they are not where they want to be yet. They also mentioned that Loomis was still talking about being in a soft reset and that while they want to be more active than last year, they are going to be conscious of not hurting the future cap.

I'm not sure exactly what that means Loomis will do, but I suspect it means 2 or 3 mid-range free agents and then several lower priced guys that fit the system that Moore and Staley want to play. They specifically talked about Loomis wanting to make use of the $7 million over the past cap projections to improve the team.

Personally, I just want to get the cap back to where we fluctuate between $10 million under and even with the cap every year so that we have some flexibility to cut guys whose play does not match their costs and sing a few mid-level free agents to fill obvious holes. I don't think you build a team with big free agent signings.

But, to do that we have to get better at the draft or at least get better at developing the talent that we do draft. I'm at the point now where I'm not sure if the drafting is bad as much as we just didn't have the coaching staff to develop talent over the last few years.

And, if DA is as bad of a HC as we all think he was, I guess I have some hope that this is a better staff that can get better results with the same or hopefully a better roster.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Just saw this pop up on my phone. Not bashing Carr, I didn’t write the article.

Hoping we nail the draft, whether he stays or not. That’s what I’m hopeful for.

Saints seem to hint that Derek Carr will return, setting up QB to make some unfortunate NFL history

Saints confident they can win with Carr

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