Underhill thinks Carr will be Saints starter [mod edit: Moore-Carr meeting went well; Saints plan is to keep Carr in 2025 & figure out contract] (95 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

Imagine following the Chiefs model. You groom Rattler for another year and you make the playoffs...perhaps starting him in a week 17 game because you've secured the division. You traded back in the 2024 draft so you have some extra capital. The league is going crazy over the QB's in 2025 but you already have yours so you can move up and draft an elite player who falls because of the QB's being drafted.

You already have a playoff team and you have cap space. You can officially turn the team over to Rattler not worried about if his supporting cast will let him down.

I like your vision of the future. I'm not sure this is a playoff team even with Carr, but if they hit big in the draft and pick up some good bargains in free agency, maybe they can win a bad NFC South. As the roster sits now, I think it's a 7 to 9 win team depending on health.

At any rate, I think they know they are going to have to rebuild the defense starting now which is why I think they hired all those young defensive coaches. So they could take a bit of a step back next year unless they really hit on some young defensive players this year.

But, there is no doubt that if Rattler can take a big leap this off season, or during the season, it would solve many problems for this team and make the future look much brighter.

 

[Saint KayBee]

The QB situation here, in year 1 of a new HC, would either be a solve-it-now or solve-it-later situation.

In terms of pursuing a veteran: Great QBs don’t hit free agency. A good QB could change teams/systems and become a great one (we witnessed that from 2006-2020), but more often they tread water and flame out, maybe giving one good season in between.

In terms of drafting: We all tend to agree that this isn’t a strong or top-heavy QB class. Classes can be one or the other (2006 was top-heavy, 2016 was strong), usually aren’t both, and occasionally are neither. We also tend to agree that 2026 is where it’s at.

In the case of drafting, since I doubt they bring in an earnest FA, we’re either hoping a guy with high potential falls and they sprint to the podium, or that they wait til next year when the chances of getting a strong prospect increase. They can use this draft to build with other players who will fit what they hope the next quarterback can do, as well as strengthening the defense with quality guys to push the veterans.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I kind of dismissed it as that too. But, in retrospect, I think he meant it.

I assumed he was being genuine...Loomis has consistently said this is a competive team and that he felt injuries ravaged what could have been. I'd like to think during their interview Kellen at least had a similar view of the team.


Of note. If there was ever a position that's primed for a Rookie or young starter its TE. Mostly because developmental snaps are available. Taysom and Foster are injured and if you lose Juwan that leaves only Dallin Holker taking snaps in TC. but because you have taysom/Foster you're unlikely to sign another veteran in that spot unless it's Juwan.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

Mike Detellier said it best, "you know what you're getting with Carr, a .500 QB".

 

[St. Widge]

Teams that are aware that they aren't good enough as they are and won't get far with their current aging roster. The Broncos just recently did a purge and it's working out for them.

We are essentially doing what the Broncos did. They didn't purge the team the first year they had an aging not great roster with a new coach. They did that in the 2nd year for the new coah.

Much like the Broncos, we are going to keep our expensive aging vet QB along with our older players for one year, and then next year we cut the aging vet QB and let go of the older players. The Broncos improved last year despite spending very little in free agency because they hit on a QB and other young players.

Again, I would have done it this year, but I think the plan is to pretty much so do what the Broncos have done over a two year period.

 

[SuperSaint]

People who want to cut Carr don't really understand the dire nature of the cap situation.

 

[St. Widge]

I assumed he was being genuine...Loomis has consistently said this is a competive team and that he felt injuries ravaged what could have been. I'd like to think during their interview Kellen at least had a similar view of the team.


Of note. If there was ever a position that's primed for a Rookie or young starter its TE. Mostly because developmental snaps are available. Taysom and Foster are injured and if you lose Juwan that leaves only Dallin Holker taking snaps in TC. but because you have taysom/Foster you're unlikely to sign another veteran in that spot unless it's Juwan.

I thought he meant it, but I didn't think he meant it to the extent that he wouldn't want a fresh start on the roster.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

It's both a sword and a shield. It has often been to his detriment like when he traded up for Marcus Williams because Payton wanted him, but it can work out like when he traded up for Kamra because Payton wanted him.

So I think he can both be criticized and applauded for it depending on the circumstances. I do think it's a overall good way for a GM to work, but Loomis has far to often given coaches things he should not have like giving DA Carr on that contract and trying to trade for Deshaun Watson.

It's a genius system to get all the glory with none of the blame.

Good drafts: Loomis is a great GM
Bad drafts: DA and Ireland picked everyone.
Good FA signings: In Loomis we trust
Bad FA signings or players leaving: It's coaches fault.

Yet here we are in cap hell and barren of talent. Loomis still has his job.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I like your dream. I'm not sure this is a playoff team even with Carr, but if they hit big in the draft and pick up some good bargains in free agency, maybe they can win a bad NFC South. As the roster sits now, I think it's a 7 to 9 win team depending on health.

At any rate, I think they know they are going to have to rebuild the defense starting now which is why I think they hired all those young defensive coaches. So they could take a bit of a step back next year unless they really hit on some young defensive players this year.

But, there is no doubt that if Rattler can take a big leap this off season, or during the season, it would solve many problems for this team and make the future look much brighter.

I don't disagree I think 7 wins is the floor for this team. If Carr doesn't get himself knocked out we likely win 7 games even as ravaged as we were. I think if health isn't an issue and we have a good draft this is a team that can win the division and hover around 9/10 wins.

 

[saintsfan26]

I want to keep Carr until somebody beats him out of the #1 job. At this time, Carr is hands down our best QB. I don’t understand the hate towards him. He is who he is.

 

[St. Widge]

It's a genius system to get all the glory with none of the blame.

Good drafts: Loomis is a great GM
Bad drafts: DA and Ireland picked everyone.
Good FA signings: In Loomis we trust
Bad FA signings or players leaving: It's coaches fault.

Yet here we are in cap hell and barren of talent. Loomis still has his job.

I'd really like a new GM, but that's just not in the cards this year. Maybe he retires in a few years but who really knows. So, I just hope that Loomis has learned his lesson in the last few years, gets the cap reset by next year, and stops trading up in the draft. He hasn't always done things as poorly as he did in the last few years so hopefully he reverts to being the solid GM he was with Payton.

 

[BreesusSaves]

I said awhile ago that I felt the likely scenario was Carr gets a year to prove he can run Moore's offense, and if he can't he's out. That looks like the scenario playing out, with the worst case being 2026 is the "pay for your sins" year for clearing out the aging guys and cap numbers and 2027 being the fresh start.

 

[Elvis]

If I've learned anything about NFL speak is that you don't believe what they say, you believe what they do. Loomis very well may be arrogant enough to continue the same failed methods that resulted in the team being so thin that they ended up 5-12 in 2024, but no moves have been made yet. We'll see what the bulk of the plan is within two weeks.

I have no confidence at this point that Loomis is capable of bold moves, but a small glimmer of hope remains that he can recognize that he's recently done a bad job as a GM and change course in some way. If not this year, then next. But if this team is just as lacking of talent, with no future QB, finishing ~.500 and just as mediocre going into 2027, he should see the same fate as DA did from Gayle.

 

[DerrickB]

Didn't take long. Lol

 

[Corey504]

Eventually after enough bad seasons Loomis will be the one on the chopping block. I'm not sure who else would you blame if another bad season was the result of more salary cap gymnastics.