UPDATE SATURDAY- Full Court Press, The 2nd Player Cincy Wants: Mike Thomas....Coach Pete: Part 2 - More Stunning News on Burrow, Brees and AK........ (126 Viewers)

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Saturday the 18th January,

Jammed in the gym today. All the New Years Resolution. Coach Pete had over 20 he was working out at the same time. Here you go.

1)" The Saints are in full court press mode after Burrow. Nothing back from Cincy that would indicate they aren't considering the Saints proposal quite seriously. They need a bunch of players.
2) Why SP is after Burrow So Much - Very few QBs have the ability to fully comprehend Sean Payton's system. SP is certain Burrow can do that and add the long ball back in his arsenal. How lethal would Taysom Hill be with a QB who can stretch the entire field. If the Saints had gotten Mahomes, ,SP would have happily built an entire offense around his talents. With Burrow, he can step in very quickly to Coach Sean'ssystem. And there is no concern about Burrow under center. He can learn that quickly.
3) What is attracting Cincy is that this deal would come with proven stars eliminating the guesswork out of draftees and gaining top notch starters from Day 1
4) SP wants Burrow at near any cost. Yes there would be a rebuild but the Saints think they can be competitive and maybe a playoff team under Burrow while losing some key players in the rebuild
5) That guy who did the 2 page analysis of the Saints potential losses (that is SammyKnight) was all over what the Saints have been looking at for a year now. They simply cannot keep their all of their young top talent and they want to get something for some those players. Btw: that was really nice piece of work that guy did. So take what he did, add the projected contract cost of keeping all the young talent and then the full picture unveils with which the Saints are planning from.

Who Dats - Don't party yet. There's too much time to go and too many factors. But if I went to LSU and was a Saints fan, I would be very excited right now.
No time to review. Gotta go. So no wordsmithing, grammar and spelllingb will suck! Sorry Who Dats. Girlfriend is expecting me and she has me wrapped around her finger right now - lol.

Edit: Brees size leant to tall receivers. With Burrow, they can add the small Tyreek Hill type players back as recievers to create disruption. The kid who is retruning punts for the Saints now has the potential to be special. The last part about kick returner is purely my opinion.


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I don't know if starting another thread was the best way to go, but I decided to just update this thread.

Coach Pete today, Wednesday:

Many major trade agreements are actually done long before the draft, but the NFL does not want them announced until draft day to build maximum suspense and excitement. The deal between Green Bay and the Saints for Davenport was completed 5 weeks before the draft. I knew about this, but because of my involvement, I couldn't say. You kept probing me so I tried to mislead you until draft day. The talks between the Saints and Bengals are quite real and could get completed within weeks. Yes, there are multiple teams talking to the Bengals, but the Saints offer is the most interesting one for the Bengals right now.

There's only one hold-up, the 2nd player besides Kamara. If this goes through, you Who Dats will be surprised at how little draft compensation will be required. Cincy wants Michael Thomas plus Kamara. The Saints are currently taking the position that MT is off-limits. But Coach Payton told the FO, at nearly any cost. My sources are telling me if that holds the deal-up, the Saints will roll on Thomas and include him.

Brees knows he can't play a 19-20 game season with high effectiveness anymore. One of the keys for the Saints is making sure Brees is willing to stay one more year to tutor Burrow and step in if neccessary. That has not been agreed upon yet.
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After Coach Pete told me what I will share in a moment, I told him,

"Pete, it's taken 4 years to build your rep and respect on the SR board where your posts average in the 90+ positive percentile. You don't have to go this far out. In fact, imo, it's very risky to post what you are saying. Your rep could get ruined on the board over these predictions if proven there is no real substance behind these predictions."
Coach Pere came back with:

I have no goals to do anything different from what I am doing in the health business. I Love helping others achieve health levels they deemed impossible and to watch the positive changes in their entire lives. It's mind, body, spirit for me. When my pro rehab and combine businesses dried up a few years ago, I no longer had to stay team neutral. So I decided on the Saints because I love Brees since high school and I thought you and I could have some fun, you being a die-hard Saints fan. I have no financial goals or ego goals tied to what you and I have been doing on that big Who Dat fan board. The info I am getting is from very trusted, long-term inside sources.
1) Davenport
- appears to be doing much better and may be ready for training camp. The coaches are still considering moving him to the left side, swapping with Jordan, since his left leg is still healthy and he can push-off with that leg. But there is no guarantee that Marcus can make the adjustment.

2) Burrow - Is the #1 goal of the Saints entire offseason. Weekly conversation are being held with Brady about Burrow's interest in the Saints which is sky high, as well as any potential hidden injuries which they believe are none that are serious. The conversations with the Bengals are not exploratory. They have and are continuing to have conversations with the Bengals. The Bengals know they need more than one player. They have a ton of holes to fill. The deal is very close. It could blow-up, but the Saints believe it is possible.

Burrow will turn 24 or 25 next season. That scares a number of teams who would prefer a younger QB, preferably coming out early, especially with the #1 or #2 position in the draft. The Bengals and Saints have a verbal agreement in place that is really close. Kamara goes to the Bengals and will be paired with Mixon, a combo Cincy thinks would be disruptive. The Saints are offering multiple 1s and 2s with a couple of future 3rd and 4th rounders. However, the Bengals want one more specific player who the Saints, at least to this point, are not willing to trade. The Saints are offering a few other players instead. Anything can happen to blow this up, but this deal is very close. Sean Payton thinks Burrow is a generational QB like Mahomes and Luck. (I asked who the player was and Coach Pete said that he could not answer that. So he knows).

3) Brees - I need no one to tell me how great Brees is. As a former coach, I see things Brees does which most fans cannot, and Brees is unbelievable in his trade. If they get Burrow, they want to start Burrow next year, especially since he knows the Saints offense. At this point, Brees is willing to stay in a mentor, quasi back-up role (I can't believe this personally). Brees knows, SP knows and the FO knows that Brees cannot play at a high level for an entire season and the playoffs. Brees could start the season then Burrow could come in after 3-6 games. Then they rest Brees for a playoff run if Burrow stumbles at all.

4) LSU Players and the Saints - because of Brady being in his role at LSU, the Saints have a lot of confidence in Brady's evaluation of talent. Remember the relationship Coach Sean had with Urban Meyer and all the players the Saints drafted from Ohio State. I expect to see the Saints drafting a lot more players from LSU than in the past. Brady and SP are talking every week now on a scheduled call about LSU players coming out this year.
To me personally, much of this seems way far out and a major reach. But when I looked back at Coach Pete and asked him if he wanted me to post this, he had that cocky smile and said, "Äbsolutely! everything I'm telling you is real, not any guesswork on my part."

I have my doubts, but I would never bet against Coach Pete when he has that smiling cocky look on his face and he tells me his sources are strong on certain info. I even asked Pete if he was smoking stoner stuff or the Docs have him on new meds. He just laughed and said that this is all legit.....
 
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One thing that lines up is how SP procrastinates doing something. Finally getting on the LSU player train. Not saying that we should draft all or a lot of them, but Deebo Jones, Chark, etc. SP has procrastinated in the past not getting a defense, firing his goon squad defensive coaches, finding a #2 WR. Lots of missed opportunities within those years.

Side note: IF this were to happen with Burrow (huge IF), then I could see Joe Brady being offered the OC job for us.
Also......why is Kamara’s name free to be named, but not the other? Why is Kamara less valuable than other said player?
Stubbornness can be a good thing or a downfall. It's difficult to grasp, but SP is a smart coach and can get ahead of the trend.

That's why other people try to copy off his offense, gameplans, etc. I'll never understand the decision to keep the team void of WR talent, or keep his buddies around, but it was all for a reason.

In regards to his buddies, I believe he learned his lesson. Although we're going to ride or die on the DA train if he receives no head coach interest. I honestly believe we will get some new WR talent this year. Mark it!
 

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For what it's worth, I did have a dream of Burrow getting drafted by the Saints. I almost never have dreams and those that I've had, have come in the future. I don't know what number they drafted him or what they gave up, but it was a short dream I had.

As far as swimmers post on what Coach Pete says, I believe what he says. What the Saints give up, don't know if it will impact our offense, but regardless, there are rookies on our roster waiting for their big contract so we will probably lose some of the people we hope to keep.

As far as Brees vs Burrow debate. I think Brees would play 1 final year to end his career and Burrow taking over from there. Just my speculation.
 

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They are NOT getting rid of Michael Thomas forget that.

A relative of mine ( my Godfather, no relationship to THE Godfather) is close friends and neighbors with someone in the front office. It’s not Loomis, but it’s not the mail carrier.I can’t and will never say who it is.

I posted several weeks ago that Payton want Joe. Period. He does not believe he will have a shot at a QB of that caliber for another few years. Payton wants him. Loomis will do everything he can to make it happen. There are some untouchable players Payton took off the list, but told Loomis everyone else is available capital.

Take it for what it’s worth, which is not much.

The one thing I will say you can take away from my post, swimmers, and a few others is that The interest is real. Peyton wants Joe. The question now is what do the Bengals want and what are the saints willing to give up.

The good news for the Saints is that while we have a quality front office and talent evaluators, the Bengals not so much. So maybe that’ll play in our favor.

But the question is no longer do the saints want him. They do
And look, Payton is TERRIBLE at hiding his draft intentions. I love the guy. I love his swag and his boldness. But he tells anyone and everyone who will listen who he likes.

So I absolutely believe you and coach Pete via swimmer. Is it realistic? Probably not. But I have zero doubt that Payton is putting anything on the table to see if there’s any shot.
 

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Ramczyk. Lattimore. McCoy. Demario Davis. Mike Thomas. To me, those are the 5 untouchable players or at least players who give you extreme pause. Possibly only Mike Thomas is truly untouchable, but wanted to consider who else they wouldn't just toss in right away.
Demario Davis and Mike Thomas untouchable in my book. Lattimore and Ramczyk should offset those two players, if a trade is needed. I know this may not be popular but if you have to get Burrow and trade Lattimore and Ramczyk, then do it. Only down side is that you will have to sign Peat, Apple and Janoris.
 
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They are NOT getting rid of Michael Thomas forget that.

A relative of mine ( my Godfather, no relationship to THE Godfather) is close friends and neighbors with someone in the front office. It’s not Loomis, but it’s not the mail carrier.I can’t and will never say who it is.

I posted several weeks ago that Payton want Joe. Period. He does not believe he will have a shot at a QB of that caliber for another few years. Payton wants him. Loomis will do everything he can to make it happen. There are some untouchable players Payton took off the list, but told Loomis everyone else is available capital.

Take it for what it’s worth, which is not much.

The one thing I will say you can take away from my post, swimmers, and a few others is that The interest is real. Peyton wants Joe. The question now is what do the Bengals want and what are the saints willing to give up.

The good news for the Saints is that while we have a quality front office and talent evaluators, the Bengals not so much. So maybe that’ll play in our favor.

But the question is no longer do the saints want him. They do
Great info. Frankly, I felt weird about posting this today. It just seems so impossible to give the Bengals what they want without disrupting the team. And Brees as a backup? Seriously? But I feel much better after your post. It fits Coach Pete's post last week where Pete said that SP told Loomis, "Go get me Burrow!"
 

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An absolute CANT trade is Michael Thomas or Demario Davis...
Yeah and I don’t think the Bengals would ask for them anyway.

Thomas makes a ton of $ for a franchise that isn’t close to contention. And I’m not sure we could afford the cap hit to trade him anyway.

And Davis is also a lot more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team.

The only three guys who make sense would be Ram, Lattimore and Kamara.
 

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For what it's worth, I did have a dream of Burrow getting drafted by the Saints. I almost never have dreams and those that I've had, have come in the future. I don't know what number they drafted him or what they gave up, but it was a short dream I had.

As far as swimmers post on what Coach Pete says, I believe what he says. What the Saints give up, don't know if it will impact our offense, but regardless, there are rookies on our roster waiting for their big contract so we will probably lose some of the people we hope to keep.

As far as Brees vs Burrow debate. I think Brees would play 1 final year to end his career and Burrow taking over from there. Just my speculation.
None of my Saints dreams have come true. So I hope I don't dream about the Saints getting Burrow. Man it's a long time from here til April!
 
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I do believe that the Brady-Payton connection will yield more LSU players going to the Saints.

The Davenport injury rumors are all over the map, so who knows.

The Burrow stuff.. c'mon man.
Pete's info on Davenport is accurate and up to date. His former coaches at UTSA who are close to Marcus get the up to date info directly from Marcus.
 
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Yeah and I don’t think the Bengals would ask for them anyway.

Thomas makes a ton of $ for a franchise that isn’t close to contention. And I’m not sure we could afford the cap hit to trade him anyway.

And Davis is also a lot more valuable to a contender than a rebuilding team.

The only three guys who make sense would be Ram, Lattimore and Kamara.
Spud - Great point. There's no way the Bengals could afford MT and AJ Green. That would be like $35 million per year in 2 WRs. The Bengals have way too many other holes.
 

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Sacrificing the future of our franchise for 1 player would be asinine. We are headed towards a rebuild when kicking the cap demons down the road finally stops for us, and we'll need the young picks to keep the team viable.
While part of me agrees with you, the other part remembers years of Billy Joes, Steve Walsh, Heath Shuler, and sooooo many more. So while giving up draft capital will hurt us, will it hurt us more than going through years of crappy or average QB’s?
 

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I think Burrow is one of the very few that would be worth what we have to give up.
We don't even have what it would take to give up, even if we were crazy enough to give it up.

No team cares about a 1st round pick four years from now because the coach and GM know they may not even be around any longer. So it's not even enough to say we'd have to trade our next four 1st rounders. We'd have to come up with some way to gather multiple 1st round picks this season to trade, plus have some left to trade next season.

I can't fathom how that's possible. And then the Bengals would still laugh at us.
 

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We think Brady is staying at LSU?
He agreed to a 3 year extension that can be voided for higher positions. I can’t see him staying for 3 years but it’s possible like Aranda. If he continues this offensive success I’m sure he will be one of the highest paid OC’s in college.
 

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