Very disappointed in Saints draft so far (1 Viewer)

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Needless to say, with all the talk and hype that has gone into this year's draft I am left unimpressed with what the Saints have done so far. In my opinion there were so many other solid players the Saints could have went with the 28th pick in the fisrst round. And they go Peyton Turner??? The guy's tape is impressive but he seems like a carbon copy on Marcus Davenport. At least they didn't trade up to get him and I hope Turner works out but I have my doubts. Then the 2nd pick...Pete Werner...I'm not saying it was an awful pick but I would've went in another direction. The 3rd pick is actually one I do like out of them all..Paulson Adebo...I think he can prove to be a strong player when it's all said and done. Ian Book??? that's a meh pick for me...why go QB there when you have more pressing needs at WR? We always say in Loomis we trust but so far I may need to be reminded of that more often.
 

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The need at WR is overstated among the fanbase. We have a top 3 WR on the team. Most teams don't have that. After him, we have two guys that are #3 WR level currently, but at least one of them has the chance to step into a 600-700 yard receiver at the #2 spot. We also have Harris, who is a wildcard and was really becoming a big WR threat. Oh, and a RB who's the best in the league at lining up wide.

We aren't great at WR, but it's not a glaring hole.
I tend to agree with this. I’m just a little concerned about the possibility of losing Thomas for an extended period of time and being stuck with Trequan Smith being our number 1 with Winston or Hill at QB! That’s actually somewhat terrifying...but a rookie receiver (outside of Chase) probably wouldn’t really help in that situation either.
 

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If Sean and Mickey say scrambled eggs is the best way to eat eggs, some fans here would only order scrambled eggs the rest of their life. Some fans would insist over easy or their favorite version of cooked eggs are better. Some fans might reserve judgment and try every type of cooked eggs before making a decision. I’m not an egg expert so I say hell with that let’s smoke meat and drink.
If I searched recorded history i don't think I could find a more ridiculous analogy than this one , it makes no sense relating to how fans feel regarding SP and ML's drafting of players
 
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Maybe we are learning that Terry Fontenot was the bigger evaluator of talent than we knew.
He had the 4th pick in the draft. Pretty hard to screw that up. Are you saying we should have traded three future 1st rounders to move up?
 

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Did we pick anyone we expect to start opening weekend?

Did we pick anyone we believe will be starting in week 17?

Did we draft anyone we believe will be seeing substantial playing time this season?

Did we pick anyone who 12 months from today we believe will be a foundation player going forward?
 

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Did we pick anyone we expect to start opening weekend?

Did we pick anyone we believe will be starting in week 17?

Did we draft anyone we believe will be seeing substantial playing time this season?

Did we pick anyone who 12 months from today we believe will be a foundation player going forward?
I believe Adebo will be the answer to Question 2-4, with a veteran starting week one. I believe Turner will be a rotation player as early as week one. I believe Werner will fight it out with Baun for Payton’s **** list in any given week. I believe we will have forgotten that the players drafted on the third day were ever with the team by week one.
 
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It all feels a bit meh... but I think it's more dowm to Drew retiring, accepting we're going to be a wild card team and the coronavirus killing peoples spirit.
 

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Well we're living off of the 2017 draft, and our record hasn't been great in the draft since.
You have to remember that prior to 2016, most of our other drafts sucked. Don't expect things to magically change.

I hate when people think that you’re supposed to draft perfect every year. Believe it or not in the last 10 years the Saints are ranked in the top five for draft efficiency. Meaning taking into account the number of pics each team has each year how efficient are those teams and turning those into NFL players. We were thinking the top five over the last 10 years. So everyone needs to get off the Saints don’t draft well

Return vs. Capital​

So now we come to the true test of drafting ability. How much return did each team get relative to the draft capital it had? We can find out by dividing each team's draft return by its draft capital in each year, then expressing that as a percentage. A score of 100% means that teams got the talent they were expected to get given how much draft capital they had. That's a league-average GM in drafting ability.

Draft Return vs. Draft Capital, 2010-2019
Team201020112012201320142015201620172018201910-Yr5-Yr
SEA132%224%236%77%88%175%117%107%121%74%135%111%
GB178%121%90%206%125%94%139%113%87%69%120%98%
DAL154%125%60%111%175%104%163%103%110%62%120%118%
PIT188%125%119%120%90%71%99%146%83%114%117%103%
NO125%119%164%143%67%72%128%151%70%148%114%111%
BAL61%138%85%175%108%94%94%73%185%118%113%113%
KC70%108%73%94%143%165%142%141%71%185%113%142%
NE139%95%121%128%123%155%190%60%71%41%112%102%




2019
Round 1: Defensive end Marcus Davenport, Texas-San Antonio

Round 2: Center Erik McCoy, Texas A&M

Round 3: Quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, New York Jets

Round 4: Defensive back Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida

Round 4: Cornerback Eli Apple, New York Giants

Round 6: Safety Saquan Hampton, Rutgers

Round 7: Tight end Alize Mack, Notre Dame

Round 7: Linebacker Kaden Elliss, Idaho



2016
  • #12. Sheldon Rankins. DE, Louisville. ...
  • #47. Michael Thomas. WR, Ohio State. ...
  • #61. Vonn Bell. S, Ohio State. ...
  • #120. David Onyemata. DE, Manitoba. ...
  • #237. Daniel Lasco. RB, California
2014

  • Kenny Vaccaro, 1st Round, 15th Overall.
  • Terron Armstead, 3rd Round, 75th Overall.
  • Jonathan Jenkins, 3rd Round, 82nd Overall.
  • Kenny Stills, 5th Round, 144th Overa
 

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There is your problem. You are left feeling a certain way because of the hype. Hype doesn't win football games.

IS this a good draft or a bad draft? Nobody really knows until these guys play a couple of NFL downs. Like it or not, that is the stone-cold truth. Any "expert" that tells you otherwise isn't really an expert.

Return vs. Capital​

So now we come to the true test of drafting ability. How much return did each team get relative to the draft capital it had? We can find out by dividing each team's draft return by its draft capital in each year, then expressing that as a percentage. A score of 100% means that teams got the talent they were expected to get given how much draft capital they had. That's a league-average GM in drafting ability.


Draft Return vs. Draft Capital, 2010-2019
Team201020112012201320142015201620172018201910-Yr5-Yr
SEA132%224%236%77%88%175%117%107%121%74%135%111%
GB178%121%90%206%125%94%139%113%87%69%120%98%
DAL154%125%60%111%175%104%163%103%110%62%120%118%
PIT188%125%119%120%90%71%99%146%83%114%117%103%
NO125%119%164%143%67%72%128%151%70%148%114%111%
BAL61%138%85%175%108%94%94%73%185%118%113%113%
KC70%108%73%94%143%165%142%141%71%185%113%142%
NE139%95%121%128%123%155%190%60%71%41%112%102%
WAS98%102%115%118%154%108%65%103%73%138%108%101%
ATL84%154%56%108%97%116%149%84%117%96%108%113%
MIN94%76%89%90%104%169%51%172%94%124%106%126%
HOU91%129%137%111%69%89%87%142%127%98%106%108%
IND108%68%96%54%117%104%122%111%146%83%105%117%
CAR114%73%123%129%132%128%80%119%97%66%104%99%
MIA135%114%117%50%108%108%100%86%118%119%103%106%
CHI128%80%60%149%98%73%112%108%104%162%101%103%
PHI90%104%128%117%55%90%131%69%111%83%98%95%
DEN130%102%129%58%123%83%131%53%86%81%98%85%
BUF44%83%101%98%94%129%54%162%107%130%97%115%
DET86%33%86%143%101%93%128%111%99%61%95%97%
OAK79%99%121%102%171%68%61%63%101%90%94%79%
LAR67%70%87%86%94%125%71%148%103%131%94%114%
CIN132%116%105%94%91%50%113%81%100%53%94%78%
SF116%110%35%73%74%100%63%92%101%140%93%100%
NYG98%52%43%84%117%98%77%91%89%120%90%97%
LAC91%84%86%116%40%127%65%120%107%57%90%95%
ARI104%85%108%105%81%141%52%64%71%85%90%84%
JAX53%47%60%59%127%63%114%77%126%137%87%101%
TEN76%95%81%49%123%58%96%77%105%137%87%90%
TB62%67%111%110%78%126%47%78%78%111%86%90%
CLE84%96%80%39%61%77%80%63%77%164%78%81%
NYJ47%164%85%77%42%51%108%72%68%66%74%71%
Percentage of CarAV generated by drafted players (relative to total CarAV in the draft), divided by percentage of expected CarAV from draft picks used.
After adjusting for the amount of draft capital used, the Seahawks remain in the No. 1 position. By a mile. At a 135% average over the last decade, they are 15% higher than the next two teams, Green Bay and Dallas. Schneider wins! (Although Carroll deserves some credit for developing those players, of course.) The Seahawks have the two best drafts of the last decade (2011 and, of course, 2012). Even if you only look at the last five years, they are still doing well at tenth in the league (Kansas City and Minnesota are now on top, while Dallas remains in third). No, 2019 wasn't good at 74%, but when Marquis Blair, L.J. Collier, and Travis Homer all become starters, it will start looking much better, right?

If you look at the top teams on this list, you see a lot of well-run organizations with a lot of stability: Seattle, Green Bay, Dallas, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Baltimore, Kansas City, New England. It seems like Dallas has done a great job of drafting, but they haven't really had the success these other teams had. Maybe their coaching wasn't that good? We can also see how badly New England has drafted in the last three years. It doesn't look quite as bad as the raw numbers, but it's still very bad, easily the worst in that time. But over the last five years, they are right about at average, so maybe things aren't that bad?

At the bottom of the list you have Tampa Bay (86%), Cleveland (78%), and the Jets (74%). Jets fans are not surprised, I'm sure, with only two above-average drafts in the last decade but three in the bottom 10%. They are at the bottom of the list for the last five years as well. Tampa Bay has struggled in the draft, not getting what they should have out of their third-best draft capital, while Cleveland has squandered the best draft capital of the decade. At least the 2019 draft is looking good for Cleveland, but that's only because they had very little draft capital (very unusual for them). The actual raw return is still below average. The factory of sadness is still open for business.


 

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I still say the Black Pumas were the best part of the whole draft. Glad they finally made it off 6th st., and really Glad they still come back
 

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Needless to say, with all the talk and hype that has gone into this year's draft I am left unimpressed with what the Saints have done so far. In my opinion there were so many other solid players the Saints could have went with the 28th pick in the fisrst round. And they go Peyton Turner??? The guy's tape is impressive but he seems like a carbon copy on Marcus Davenport. At least they didn't trade up to get him and I hope Turner works out but I have my doubts. Then the 2nd pick...Pete Werner...I'm not saying it was an awful pick but I would've went in another direction. The 3rd pick is actually one I do like out of them all..Paulson Adebo...I think he can prove to be a strong player when it's all said and done. Ian Book??? that's a meh pick for me...why go QB there when you have more pressing needs at WR? We always say in Loomis we trust but so far I may need to be reminded of that more often.

Glad we have the coaches and front office we do. I'll choose them over your opinion all day and twice on Sunday
 

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As was my intent in regards to another rediculous thread. You would think we just selected Trubiske with mahomes still on the board. Thing is, nobody knows. Not at the top, not at the bottom of the draft. Sure I loved a lot of players the media made me like and thought “who” to our pick but I know enough to know I don’t know Jack nor does anyone else.
 

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It has been years since I found a draft as disappointing as this one. At the moment, even the UFA list seems underwhelming. I waited months for this. The reasons:
1. Drafting 28
2. Drafting 28
3. Nobody (or very few) really falling
4. Having to fill needs on defense in a year when defense was very weak. We picked a bad year to have a needs-driven draft.
 
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Did we pick anyone we expect to start opening weekend?

Did we pick anyone we believe will be starting in week 17?

Did we draft anyone we believe will be seeing substantial playing time this season?

Did we pick anyone who 12 months from today we believe will be a foundation player going forward?
Maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe.

This may be the Saints best draft in history.

This may be the Saints worst draft in history.

This may be the Saints most mediocre draft in history.

At least the picks seem to be great guys, based on the interviews I have seen.

But come on, y'all - we simply don't know how good of a draft this was.

There was not one pick of ours that had an available player who was a no-doubt-about-it pick. A definite no-brainer.

Am I wrong about that?

As is the case every off-season, I am excited about the upcoming year. I have confidence in our team's front office. Of course our decision-makers blow it now and then. In the draft. On the field.

But again, I trust them.

Let's hope every one of this weeks draft picks become starters - day 1.
And shock the entire NFL world with their stellar play in their rookie seasons.

But I will settle for something a little less histrionic than that dream.

I get it - it's fun to post on saintsreport.com.
I love it.
Knocking other people's opinions is part of the fun.
I wanted to post my 2-cents worth.

Heres to a great 2021 New Orleans Saints football season.
There are a lot of question marks heading into week 1.
I pray the injuries this season are minimal and minor - for the Saints and every other NFL team.

Geaux Saints !!!
 

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It has been years since I found a draft as disappointing as this one. At the moment, even the UFA list seems underwhelming. I waited months for this. The reasons:
1. Drafting 28
2. Drafting 28
3. Nobody (or very few) really falling
4. Having to fill needs on defense in a year when defense was very weak. We picked a bad year to have a needs-driven draft.
Nobody cares bro
 

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We definitively did not make the "splashiest" picks. But when I read through the write ups for all these guys, I keep seeing phrases like "big heart" and "love of the game." Those are the guys I want on my squad. I think a lot of these boys will become fan favorites, and with NFL level coaching, help us get back to the promised land. Excited to see what these new Whodats will do!
 

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