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Most players don’t pan out...so complaining about every player is actually the smart strategy.
Sure, if you are committed to being an unbearably miserable person.
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Most players don’t pan out...so complaining about every player is actually the smart strategy.
Yes the downer reporters make this the worst time of yr on hereI’m more disappointed in the Saints Report downers than the picks. The team is in transition and shed a ton of players due to the cap, but Saints fans from the gameday board infiltrate the main board on draft day every year and that will never change.
I tend to agree with this. I’m just a little concerned about the possibility of losing Thomas for an extended period of time and being stuck with Trequan Smith being our number 1 with Winston or Hill at QB! That’s actually somewhat terrifying...but a rookie receiver (outside of Chase) probably wouldn’t really help in that situation either.The need at WR is overstated among the fanbase. We have a top 3 WR on the team. Most teams don't have that. After him, we have two guys that are #3 WR level currently, but at least one of them has the chance to step into a 600-700 yard receiver at the #2 spot. We also have Harris, who is a wildcard and was really becoming a big WR threat. Oh, and a RB who's the best in the league at lining up wide.
We aren't great at WR, but it's not a glaring hole.
If I searched recorded history i don't think I could find a more ridiculous analogy than this one , it makes no sense relating to how fans feel regarding SP and ML's drafting of playersIf Sean and Mickey say scrambled eggs is the best way to eat eggs, some fans here would only order scrambled eggs the rest of their life. Some fans would insist over easy or their favorite version of cooked eggs are better. Some fans might reserve judgment and try every type of cooked eggs before making a decision. I’m not an egg expert so I say hell with that let’s smoke meat and drink.
He had the 4th pick in the draft. Pretty hard to screw that up. Are you saying we should have traded three future 1st rounders to move up?Maybe we are learning that Terry Fontenot was the bigger evaluator of talent than we knew.
I believe Adebo will be the answer to Question 2-4, with a veteran starting week one. I believe Turner will be a rotation player as early as week one. I believe Werner will fight it out with Baun for Payton’s **** list in any given week. I believe we will have forgotten that the players drafted on the third day were ever with the team by week one.Did we pick anyone we expect to start opening weekend?
Did we pick anyone we believe will be starting in week 17?
Did we draft anyone we believe will be seeing substantial playing time this season?
Did we pick anyone who 12 months from today we believe will be a foundation player going forward?
Well we're living off of the 2017 draft, and our record hasn't been great in the draft since.
You have to remember that prior to 2016, most of our other drafts sucked. Don't expect things to magically change.
Draft Return vs. Draft Capital, 2010-2019 | ||||||||||||
Team | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 10-Yr | 5-Yr |
SEA | 132% | 224% | 236% | 77% | 88% | 175% | 117% | 107% | 121% | 74% | 135% | 111% |
GB | 178% | 121% | 90% | 206% | 125% | 94% | 139% | 113% | 87% | 69% | 120% | 98% |
DAL | 154% | 125% | 60% | 111% | 175% | 104% | 163% | 103% | 110% | 62% | 120% | 118% |
PIT | 188% | 125% | 119% | 120% | 90% | 71% | 99% | 146% | 83% | 114% | 117% | 103% |
NO | 125% | 119% | 164% | 143% | 67% | 72% | 128% | 151% | 70% | 148% | 114% | 111% |
BAL | 61% | 138% | 85% | 175% | 108% | 94% | 94% | 73% | 185% | 118% | 113% | 113% |
KC | 70% | 108% | 73% | 94% | 143% | 165% | 142% | 141% | 71% | 185% | 113% | 142% |
NE | 139% | 95% | 121% | 128% | 123% | 155% | 190% | 60% | 71% | 41% | 112% | 102% |
There is your problem. You are left feeling a certain way because of the hype. Hype doesn't win football games.
IS this a good draft or a bad draft? Nobody really knows until these guys play a couple of NFL downs. Like it or not, that is the stone-cold truth. Any "expert" that tells you otherwise isn't really an expert.
Draft Return vs. Draft Capital, 2010-2019 | ||||||||||||
Team | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 10-Yr | 5-Yr |
SEA | 132% | 224% | 236% | 77% | 88% | 175% | 117% | 107% | 121% | 74% | 135% | 111% |
GB | 178% | 121% | 90% | 206% | 125% | 94% | 139% | 113% | 87% | 69% | 120% | 98% |
DAL | 154% | 125% | 60% | 111% | 175% | 104% | 163% | 103% | 110% | 62% | 120% | 118% |
PIT | 188% | 125% | 119% | 120% | 90% | 71% | 99% | 146% | 83% | 114% | 117% | 103% |
NO | 125% | 119% | 164% | 143% | 67% | 72% | 128% | 151% | 70% | 148% | 114% | 111% |
BAL | 61% | 138% | 85% | 175% | 108% | 94% | 94% | 73% | 185% | 118% | 113% | 113% |
KC | 70% | 108% | 73% | 94% | 143% | 165% | 142% | 141% | 71% | 185% | 113% | 142% |
NE | 139% | 95% | 121% | 128% | 123% | 155% | 190% | 60% | 71% | 41% | 112% | 102% |
WAS | 98% | 102% | 115% | 118% | 154% | 108% | 65% | 103% | 73% | 138% | 108% | 101% |
ATL | 84% | 154% | 56% | 108% | 97% | 116% | 149% | 84% | 117% | 96% | 108% | 113% |
MIN | 94% | 76% | 89% | 90% | 104% | 169% | 51% | 172% | 94% | 124% | 106% | 126% |
HOU | 91% | 129% | 137% | 111% | 69% | 89% | 87% | 142% | 127% | 98% | 106% | 108% |
IND | 108% | 68% | 96% | 54% | 117% | 104% | 122% | 111% | 146% | 83% | 105% | 117% |
CAR | 114% | 73% | 123% | 129% | 132% | 128% | 80% | 119% | 97% | 66% | 104% | 99% |
MIA | 135% | 114% | 117% | 50% | 108% | 108% | 100% | 86% | 118% | 119% | 103% | 106% |
CHI | 128% | 80% | 60% | 149% | 98% | 73% | 112% | 108% | 104% | 162% | 101% | 103% |
PHI | 90% | 104% | 128% | 117% | 55% | 90% | 131% | 69% | 111% | 83% | 98% | 95% |
DEN | 130% | 102% | 129% | 58% | 123% | 83% | 131% | 53% | 86% | 81% | 98% | 85% |
BUF | 44% | 83% | 101% | 98% | 94% | 129% | 54% | 162% | 107% | 130% | 97% | 115% |
DET | 86% | 33% | 86% | 143% | 101% | 93% | 128% | 111% | 99% | 61% | 95% | 97% |
OAK | 79% | 99% | 121% | 102% | 171% | 68% | 61% | 63% | 101% | 90% | 94% | 79% |
LAR | 67% | 70% | 87% | 86% | 94% | 125% | 71% | 148% | 103% | 131% | 94% | 114% |
CIN | 132% | 116% | 105% | 94% | 91% | 50% | 113% | 81% | 100% | 53% | 94% | 78% |
SF | 116% | 110% | 35% | 73% | 74% | 100% | 63% | 92% | 101% | 140% | 93% | 100% |
NYG | 98% | 52% | 43% | 84% | 117% | 98% | 77% | 91% | 89% | 120% | 90% | 97% |
LAC | 91% | 84% | 86% | 116% | 40% | 127% | 65% | 120% | 107% | 57% | 90% | 95% |
ARI | 104% | 85% | 108% | 105% | 81% | 141% | 52% | 64% | 71% | 85% | 90% | 84% |
JAX | 53% | 47% | 60% | 59% | 127% | 63% | 114% | 77% | 126% | 137% | 87% | 101% |
TEN | 76% | 95% | 81% | 49% | 123% | 58% | 96% | 77% | 105% | 137% | 87% | 90% |
TB | 62% | 67% | 111% | 110% | 78% | 126% | 47% | 78% | 78% | 111% | 86% | 90% |
CLE | 84% | 96% | 80% | 39% | 61% | 77% | 80% | 63% | 77% | 164% | 78% | 81% |
NYJ | 47% | 164% | 85% | 77% | 42% | 51% | 108% | 72% | 68% | 66% | 74% | 71% |
Percentage of CarAV generated by drafted players (relative to total CarAV in the draft), divided by percentage of expected CarAV from draft picks used. |
Needless to say, with all the talk and hype that has gone into this year's draft I am left unimpressed with what the Saints have done so far. In my opinion there were so many other solid players the Saints could have went with the 28th pick in the fisrst round. And they go Peyton Turner??? The guy's tape is impressive but he seems like a carbon copy on Marcus Davenport. At least they didn't trade up to get him and I hope Turner works out but I have my doubts. Then the 2nd pick...Pete Werner...I'm not saying it was an awful pick but I would've went in another direction. The 3rd pick is actually one I do like out of them all..Paulson Adebo...I think he can prove to be a strong player when it's all said and done. Ian Book??? that's a meh pick for me...why go QB there when you have more pressing needs at WR? We always say in Loomis we trust but so far I may need to be reminded of that more often.
If anyone is unhappyGlad we have the coaches and front office we do. I'll choose them over your opinion all day and twice on Sunday