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Why is the left guard sent out to the right tackle spot on a pass play. Poor play design.
Same reason a RG pulls on a left side run play.

This would usually result in a stonewall block because Bosa comes off with NO contest. So he isnt braced for contact. Thats THE DESIGN.

its not poor design. its abysmal execution by just one guy.
 

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PEAT is a pretty decent run blocker. Seems to be a liability in pass protection.
He over sets a lot. Run plays he just has to get his mitts on a guy and drive em. Pass pro, he has to "set" and he not terrribly efficient at it.
 

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Same reason a RG pulls on a left side run play.

This would usually result in a stonewall block because Bosa comes off with NO contest. So he isnt braced for contact. Thats THE DESIGN.

its not poor design. its abysmal execution by just one guy.

No no no ...ALL LIES!!

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I don't have an issue with the blocking scheme as such. We used to do a lot more of it though it was usually the RG pulling to left side. I would argue that while I understand it from a numbers perspective, pulling the guard away from where the run fake is going minimises the value of the pull action, play action fake - can't see too many LB's being fooled by that. Also, normally that play has the QB moving off his spot a little bit, away from the side where the guard is pulling to. Why? Because the distance between the QB and DE doesn't change but you're asking the guard to pull and get into that direct line - better to change the angle and distance of that direct line to give your guard a better chance. So, I think while the theory is sound, the design was a little off.

That being said, Peat missed the block, plain and simple.

If there's anything in his defense, I suppose also that Bosa is a top 3 Pass Rushing DE which doesn't help. By the same token, serving up a top 3 rusher the same set up/ set is asking for sacks - you have to change things up from time to time.
 

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A reach block is really only for running plays so shouldn't cause the QB any undue concerns.
I know what it is... for some reason we pull (or move/reach) our Linemen on pass plays too, and that player has to "reach" up field for the rusher, while keeping him from getting behind his back (which was the uber fail here)... In last night's case it was Peat reaching for a DE.... and as per his dozen or so times a a year.... He reached and completely missed, letting the DE get inside Scott free.... ending up with his pants on the ground and a free runner at the QB (ball handler).
 
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I don't have an issue with the blocking scheme as such. We used to do a lot more of it though it was usually the RG pulling to left side. I would argue that while I understand it from a numbers perspective, pulling the guard away from where the run fake is going minimises the value of the pull action, play action fake - can't see too many LB's being fooled by that. Also, normally that play has the QB moving off his spot a little bit, away from the side where the guard is pulling to. Why? Because the distance between the QB and DE doesn't change but you're asking the guard to pull and get into that direct line - better to change the angle and distance of that direct line to give your guard a better chance. So, I think while the theory is sound, the design was a little off.

That being said, Peat missed the block, plain and simple.

If there's anything in his defense, I suppose also that Bosa is a top 3 Pass Rushing DE which doesn't help. By the same token, serving up a top 3 rusher the same set up/ set is asking for sacks - you have to change things up from time to time.
So that was the first time we ran that play in the game. Late in game.

The DE did exactly what was expected and Peat was exactly where he needed to be. Wasnt early or late. Bosa did a quick hitch to inside and made Peat look like a fool in doing so. His footwork was so sloppy its the reason he looks so clumsy when missing the block. Normally the DE will continue "upfield" and the LG will simply ride him up and out.

Drew was gonna set to throw but because Bosa made the inside move, he had to curl out. ...meaning Peat would have actually had prime position since Bosa twitched inside. But again, without having a solid base ( footwork ) he couldnt recover and keep Bosa inside.

It was a very ugly play.

The real issue is we keep attempting these types of plays with a Guard who is average at best at pass pro. I guess against lesser DEs it works, but this one was just ugly.
 

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KISS principle goes a long way. stop being cute and just execute a game plan with aggression. There is a time for trick plays but this seems over complicated for no good reason. I don’t think Ram needed help with Bosa. If he did chip with a TE. CSP is too cute.

and CSP is a genius.. and the concept was good if executed. I’m just frustrated with the team is all.
 

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I know what it is... for some reason we pull (or move/reach) our Linemen on pass plays too, and that player has to "reach" up field for the rusher, while keeping him from getting behind his back (which was the uber fail here)... In last night's case it was Peat reaching for a DE.... and as per his dozen or so times a a year.... He reached and completely missed, letting the DE get inside Scott free.... ending up with his pants on the ground and a free runner at the QB (ball handler).
Apologies, I see what you mean now. I guess I'd call that more of a kick out than a reach. But terminology differs.

I admit though, I have very rarely seen him do that (though that could be my memory failing). I remember Ruiz doing that from RG to left side a few times last game, and I remember Warford doing a lot of it in past years. I honestly don't recall seeing Peat do it very often - and last night might be why!

As I mentioned above, I think it wasn't the best designed play action with the RB filling for the pulling guard, and also with the QB not moving from his normal spot...generally should be moving him away from the free DE side. I'd have to look at film at other instances but that's what I recollect.
 

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So that was the first time we ran that play in the game. Late in game.

The DE did exactly what was expected and Peat was exactly where he needed to be. Wasnt early or late. Bosa did a quick hitch to inside and made Peat look like a fool in doing so. His footwork was so sloppy its the reason he looks so clumsy when missing the block. Normally the DE will continue "upfield" and the LG will simply ride him up and out.

Drew was gonna set to throw but because Bosa made the inside move, he had to curl out. ...meaning Peat would have actually had prime position since Bosa twitched inside. But again, without having a solid base ( footwork ) he couldnt recover and keep Bosa inside.
Pretty sure the first time we've run that play this year to be honest.

Yes, the footwork is poor though there's always that difficulty of having a narrow base for speed (to get from point a to point b) and then widening it to build security.

I think the bigger issue is that his punch gets him off balance...fine if you land it perfectly, but problematic when you miss. And playing against ninja hand master like Bosa means you have to punch and connect without over committing your weight too much forward.

Again, my view is that it's best to move the QB 2-3 yards from his normal spot, away from that block as you're automatically giving up territory by giving the DE a free release.
 

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