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[SaintsFanInLA]

Every franchise eventually has a losing season.
This isn’t college where you can pencil in at least a .500 record.

Eventually?? Lololol the Saints have completed 54 seasons. Here is the breakdown:

Number of .500 seasons: 7
Number of winning seasons: 16
Number of losing seasons: 31 THIRTY ONE!!



57.4 percent of our seasons are losing seasons. That's almost 60%. 42.6 are non-losing, about 13% tie, but only about 29.6 winning. And that's a good way to spin it because if I count a tie as non-winning, the percentage goes up to 72.2%.

We are OVERWHELMINGLY losers. This culture is a losing culture and a losing franchise. Those are facts. It's not my opinion. The numbers bear it out. We lose or don't win FAAAAAAAR more than we win.

Y'all can try to sugar coat it but that's the problem. I love my Saints but it most DEFINITELY isn't all sunshine, roses, rainbows and lollipops here. This is an organization of losers.

 

[Saint Jack]

Eventually?? Lololol the Saints have completed 54 seasons. Here is the breakdown:

Number of .500 seasons: 7
Number of winning seasons: 16
Number of losing seasons: 31 THIRTY ONE!!



57.4 percent of our seasons are losing seasons. That's almost 60%. 42.6 are non-losing, about 13% tie, but only about 29.6 winning. And that's a good way to spin it because if I count a tie as non-winning, the percentage goes up to 72.2%.

We are OVERWHELMINGLY losers. This culture is a losing culture and a losing franchise. Those are facts. It's not my opinion. The numbers bear it out. We lose or don't win FAAAAAAAR more than we win.

Y'all can try to sugar coat it but that's the problem. I love my Saints but it most DEFINITELY isn't all sunshine, roses, rainbows and lollipops here. This is an organization of losers.

And the majority of those losing seasons happened during the Meacom Era. Forty years ago.
Look up the Saints during the Bensons. Totally different.

 

[AARPSaint]

Eventually?? Lololol the Saints have completed 54 seasons. Here is the breakdown:

Number of .500 seasons: 7
Number of winning seasons: 16
Number of losing seasons: 31 THIRTY ONE!!



57.4 percent of our seasons are losing seasons. That's almost 60%. 42.6 are non-losing, about 13% tie, but only about 29.6 winning. And that's a good way to spin it because if I count a tie as non-winning, the percentage goes up to 72.2%.

We are OVERWHELMINGLY losers. This culture is a losing culture and a losing franchise. Those are facts. It's not my opinion. The numbers bear it out. We lose or don't win FAAAAAAAR more than we win.

Y'all can try to sugar coat it but that's the problem. I love my Saints but it most DEFINITELY isn't all sunshine, roses, rainbows and lollipops here. This is an organization of losers.

Sadly, it's worse because 2022 is already a losing season.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

And the majority of those losing seasons happened during the Meacom Era. Forty years ago.
Look up the Saints during the Bensons. Totally different.

Ok, so the owners. Tom Benson bought the Saints in 1985. Since 1985:

Winning seasons: 14
.500 seasons: 5
Losing seasons: 17

Winning percentage 38.8%
.500 percentage 13.8%
Losing percentage 47.2%

Non-winning 61%

Now this is as the seasons, not winning percentage of games but winning seasons. We "don't win" more than we win.

Still losers.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

Sadly, it's worse because 2022 is already a losing season.

Yeah, I wasn't even gonna add that because we're still playing and as crazy as it is, we are technically still in it. Lol

 

[Damarabi]

Not since the days before Drew Brees and Sean Payton have we seen a gridiron exhibition from our Saints like the debacle last night.

Older Saints fans can remember with all too painful regularity how the black and gold would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Many of us remember the River City Relay not only as the huge letdown that it was, but also for the fact that we'd gotten that close... A massive improvement over the perennial sad sacks of the league. Jim Mora quitting mid season long before Petrino did the same to the falcons. Once Archie Manning left there was a revolving door of ineptitude at the position until Jim Hazlett brought in Jeff Blake who played far beyond the average fan's hopes... Until he was lost for the season with a broken ankle. In stepped Aaron Brooks, a journeyman backup we'd picked up from from the Packers. Well, he played well enough to demand a renegotiation, and then the smirks and laughter after an interception or a backwards pass just didn't sit well with folks who were tired of saying yearly, "Maybe next year".

There usually was reason to hope for the next year. We were going to draft early, and maybe we could FINALLY get that one piece we always seemed to be lacking. A new coach... Something.

Well, I'm still as diehard as I've been for years, but the writing on the wall is becoming painfully easy to read:

Having traded our first round pick next year to philly, our best hope for an early pick this coming draft is negotiating with the team that bids highest for Sean Payton. Unfortunately, once we negotiate with them, I suspect that some of the folks negotiating on our behalf may just find themselves on the staff of whichever club wins his services... How fair a deal will we be getting with that possible result in the near future?

I'm not saying this is fact, but the very real potential is there. And certainly would seem the luck of the long standing fans of New Orleans. The final straw? With dwindling odds of a talented roster in coming years (cap issues, a coaching staff that should be flushed, moreso than canned) what are the odds that we, the faithful get the coach we deserve...

I fear we're going to have a few "rebuilding years" ahead of us just to become competitive again.

Welcome back to what Saints fandom was like "way back when".

Still...

GEAUX SAINTS!!

It feels like stepping back in time without the benefit of shedding the years. You're spot on.

 

[Saint Jack]

Ok, so the owners. Tom Benson bought the Saints in 1985. Since 1985:

Winning seasons: 14
.500 seasons: 5
Losing seasons: 17

Winning percentage 38.8%
.500 percentage 13.8%
Losing percentage 47.2%

Non-winning 61%

Now this is as the seasons, not winning percentage of games but winning seasons. We "don't win" more than we win.

Still losers.

Since the Bensons bought the franchise, the Saints are in the top ten in wins.

 

[SaintsFanInLA]

Since the Bensons bought the franchise, the Saints are in the top ten in wins.

They have more losing seasons than winning, though. It doesn't matter if they a bunch of wins and nothing to show for it as well ALONG with more losing seasons.

Let's take this for example:
7-9
7-9
7-9
13-3 No Super Bowl appearance, let alone a win.


That's an overall record of 34-30. They have an overall winning record but 3 out of 4 losing seasons. The Saints, the players, the coaches, the owners, the organization are losers. Twenty-two out of a possible thirty-six of the Benson seasons are non-winning.

These are FACTS. These aren't my opinions, but facts, the Saints including under the Benson ownership, have MORE LOSING SEASONS THAN WINNING.

WE HAVE ONE SUPERBOWL WIN FOR WHICH I AM INCREDIBLE GRATEFUL, but that doesn't change the numbers overall. Even if you want to set aside everything outside of the Benson's tenure, we STILL HAVE MORE LOSING SEASONS THAN WINNING SEASONS.

The Saints organization is a loser franchise.

 

[saintmdterps]

By the time Week 16 comes, you may be able to buy a saints ticket for $20 lol

Got 2 Saints/Redskins tickets for 10 dollars each in 2009 at FedEx. Parking pass from the same dude was still 30 dollars, lol.

 

[Saint Jack]

They have more losing seasons than winning, though. It doesn't matter if they a bunch of wins and nothing to show for it as well ALONG with more losing seasons.

Let's take this for example:
7-9
7-9
7-9
13-3 No Super Bowl appearance, let alone a win.


That's an overall record of 34-30. They have an overall winning record but 3 out of 4 losing seasons. The Saints, the players, the coaches, the owners, the organization are losers. Twenty-two out of a possible thirty-six of the Benson seasons are non-winning.

These are FACTS. These aren't my opinions, but facts, the Saints including under the Benson ownership, have MORE LOSING SEASONS THAN WINNING.

WE HAVE ONE SUPERBOWL WIN FOR WHICH I AM INCREDIBLE GRATEFUL, but that doesn't change the numbers overall. Even if you want to set aside everything outside of the Benson's tenure, we STILL HAVE MORE LOSING SEASONS THAN WINNING SEASONS.

The Saints organization is a loser franchise.

But the Bensons are still top 10 in wins during their ownership.
You can’t classify the Saints as a loser organization when the Bensons sit there.
You can’t claim a loser organization when you need to be near forty to remember a long stretch of futility.

 

[saintmdterps]

And the majority of those losing seasons happened during the Meacom Era. Forty years ago.
Look up the Saints during the Bensons. Totally different.

The Steelers stunk for 40 years prior to the draft that gave them Bradshaw, Swann, and I think Harris. They were pretty much the NFL worst.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

THe question is....How did we as a franchise fare since the inception of the Salary cap?

 

[Saint Jack]

THe question is....How did we as a franchise fare since the inception of the Salary cap?

A bounce back soon. It’s just the nature of the League. Except for the Broncos and Jets, every team has made the postseason within the last five years.

 

[blackadder]

Losing is in this organization's DNA. Winners win. They find ways to do it. Winners win. Losers lose. They find ways to do it. Losers lose. It's an inertia thing. We've built up enough losing inertia to last for quite some time. 09 was an aberration. Losing is who and what the Saints are. Bad coaching. Bad plays. Bad drafts. Bad officiating. Bad breaks. Take away 09 and you find any overwhelming line of losing. Either in the regular season or catastrophic failures in the post-season. Maybe I'm wrong but if you lined up our 'incredible I can't believe we won that game" vs "incredible I can't believe we lost that game', the latter outnumbers the former. We are losers. The owners, the players, the coaches.

Perhaps a bit harsh but certainly other than '09 there was underperformance in the post season. Some refs but other than 18 a lot of coaching decisions, some bad injury luck.

 

[SaintRob]

By the time Week 16 comes, you may be able to buy a saints ticket for $20 lol

You've been able to get tickets for $20 at gametime for the past two games.