What if we finish with worst defense ever again? (1 Viewer)

By week 3 of last season there was a Suck for Bosa thread.




We would still have a defense on pace to be the worst of all time.... again... for the 3rd time.

And we'd be 1-0.

The whole tone of the forum would be different. people would be giving Payton cred for finding Lutz. Some would be upset at putting us in that situation to need a big FG, but a win changes EVERYTHING in the week after.
 
By week 3 of last season there was a Suck for Bosa thread.




We would still have a defense on pace to be the worst of all time.... again... for the 3rd time.

Again this conversation would not be happening. On pace for.... after 1 week discussion is silly.
 
People need ot give the scheme a chance, its one game in and everybody wants to be all doom and gloom the defense did not hold up (Raiders started making plays..they have talent on offense too) towards the end of the 3rd and 4th quarter but we still had a chance to close it out because of the young talent and FA we brought in with the PI call on PJ (He did grab his jersey) and the call on Robertson (pass was uncatchable despite Robertson not turning his head around) and both those players will be key to the defense (Robertson had 11tkls 2pdf).


That was the first game they played an entire game together in and the scheme is sound the players are jelling.
 
What if Lutz made the 61 yarder? This conversation would not be happening.

Better hypothetical is "if Breaux hadn't gotten injured would we still be having this conversation?"

Of course we wouldn't, because we'd be sitting top 5 in scoring defense against a good offense. The conversation would be about how much of a genius Allen was for our defensive turnaround.
 
Spags vs DAllen defenses should be good for some comic relief at least :hihi:

Considering one of those poor guys has a grand total of zero CB's not sure it's a fair contest. Agree on it will be comical part
 
If we make the playoffs I don't care what our defense is ranked but if we don't then it's time to make a change across the board. You can only survive so long off your past accolades. 2009 seems like a long time ago now.
 
Again this conversation would not be happening. On pace for.... after 1 week discussion is silly.



Drew Brees is on pace for over 6500 yards over 60 TDs and no picks.

Snead and Cooks are both on pace for over 2200 yards each this season. Awesome!


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Pretty much this.

This is not an indictment against our offense or Sean, but the brand of football we play leads to the defense being on the field more than a typical defense should.


Last year we were 7th in the league in time of possession. 2014 we were 19th. 2013 we were first. 2012 we were 25th (but we all know 2012 doesn't really count). 2011 we were 3rd. 2010 we were 5th.

So no... our offense doesn't keep the D on the field longer than other teams.
 
Pretty much this.

This is not an indictment against our offense or Sean, but the brand of football we play leads to the defense being on the field more than a typical defense should.

I knew this post would be copied/pasted a bunch this season:

I made this same post in 2014 against these same allegations. Guess I have to make it again in regards to the idea that our defense plays too many snaps or we score too fast.

First, let's look at how the defense does on their own. This is important because you can have the best running offense in the league, but if your defense is giving up long drives, then they are the reason they are on the field for more snaps.

Total drives defended = 176 (9th fewest in the league)
Yards allowed per drive = 38 (32nd)
Points allowed per drive = 2.64 (32nd)
Punts forced per drive = .347 (31st)
Redzone TD defense = .677 (32nd)

So, as you can see, the defense is terrible in all stats that are contained within their control. The fact that they only defended 176 drives shows they haven't been placed on the field too much. They allow the longest drives and most points per drive defended, which adds greatly to them being on the field. But, that again, is their fault.

Now, let's look at some offensive stats and field position stats to see if there's something we are missing:

Average LOS/per drive defensively = 26.75 (11th best in the league, in other words, the offense does not give the defense short fields to defend often)
TOP per offensive drive = 2.52 (8th best in the league)
Plays per offensive drive = 6.40 (3rd best, 1st downs run clock)
Total offensive drives = 174 (4th lowest, likely because the defense never gets turnovers)
Average lead the defense plays with per drive = 1.83 points (12th best, this can go into the negative for other teams obviously. This shows we gave the defense a lead more often then not).

So putting all this together, the defense is routinely asked to defend a below average number of drives, from above average starting field position, with an offense that stays on the field well above average, and is usually given a lead to defend. Yet, they give up the longest drives and most points of any defense. Meanwhile, they give our offense a near league low number of drives because they 1) don't get off the field and 2) don't get turnovers.

In conclusion, any issues with the defense being on the field too long are almost entirely their own fault because they can't get off the field. Even then, the numbers show that they aren't on the field too long and in most cases they are on the field near a league low compared to other defenses.
 

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