What is the max cap number you pay Jameis? (1 Viewer)

What is the max per year you pay Jameis?

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You are coach/GM. How much per year is too much for you to pay for Jameis service.

Assume all incentives will be considered "likely to be earned" by the league. So they count towards the cap number we have to handle at the new league year.

Edit: As far as incentives and other unique contracts, assume Jameis will bet on himself but you must beat out another team's contract. The competing contract is a traditional $/yr contract. What was their average $/yr you were just willing to beat?
 
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Winston has no hit against the cap for 2021 since he was signed to just a 1 year minimum contract with a year year charge as signing bonus. He won't be a FA until the start of the league year next month.

Jameis Winston Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to? Maybe you were talking about me referring to tomorrow? That was a figurative tomorrow as he was using it. I'm talking about a future contract that gets accelerated when it ends for whatever reason.
 

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Until tomorrow he's getting cut, or you let him walk in FA or he retires. All that money is owed now. The more you push it back the more you lock into the player. Eventually it will affect your team.

Why do you think we are so tight against the cap the next two years?
Because revenues in the NFL are dramatically low after reduced attendance due to COVID-19?

The Saints have been right against the cap for the better part of the last 14 years. It doesnt seem to have been an issue that prohibited the Saints from signing free agents or rookies to their contracts. Managing the cap is just something else a front office does, along with scouting players and acquiring talent last year, this year and every year. In 3 years, the Saints will be tight against the cap as well. I don't know why people aren't used to this fact of life by now.
 
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Because revenues in the NFL are dramatically low after reduced attendance due to COVID-19?

The Saints have been right against the cap for the better part of the last 14 years. It doesnt seem to have been an issue that prohibited the Saints from signing free agents or rookies to their contracts. Managing the cap is just something else a front office does, along with scouting players and acquiring talent last year, this year and every year. In 3 years, the Saints will be tight against the cap as well. I don't know why people aren't used to this fact of life by now.
We don't sign players due to the cap all the time. Ingram and Clowney are recent examples.

Regardless of the actual cap number, we are far and away one of the most over the cap teams in the NFL. This is not one of our typical tight against the cap years. Even if the cap was 220 mil we would still be 30 mil over. No other team would be over 210. We are typically near the bottom with the 5-10 teams with the least cap space. This is a whole different animal, it's more reminiscent of those 2014-2016 years.

The most comparable year was 2015, we were 22+ mil over the cap. That year we didn't have any big free agency guys we brought back. The biggest moves we made were signing Brandon Browner, CJ Spiller and trading for Dannell Ellerbe's contract. In today's money that would be a CB for 6.5mil/yr, a RB for 5.2 mil/yr and a LB for 4.3 mil/yr. That's it, everything else was a cheap minimum type contract (we did make the Graham/Unger trade but money-wise it was mostly a wash). Jameis, M.Williams or Hendrickson by themselves could match those in 1 contract.

We are in this position because we pushed back contracts to get the best team possible around Drew. You have to pay eventually. It will be a lean year (or two) and they will have to be smart.
 
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That's way too much for Winston. He hasn't proven that he can take a team to the playoffs . No way...no how....NO ONE fears Winston...NO ONE......I would just pay him like Teddy..8 mill a year and he can prove himself...
You would offer to pay him like Teddy. He would likely reject the offer and sign somewhere else.

Folks have to stop thinking that Winston is under contract or that there's no market for him. Winston would be a fool not to get to free agency next month and at least have conversations with the rest of the league.

The Saints are not really in control of this situation. I'm sure that last year there was this same talk about what the Saints should offer to the Teddy. Note that he's no longer here.

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You would offer to pay him like Teddy. He would likely reject the offer and sign somewhere else.

Folks have to stop thinking that Winston is under contract or that there's no market for him. Winston would be a fool not to get to free agency next month and at least have conversations with the rest of the league.

The Saints are not really in control of this situation. I'm sure that last year there was this same talk about what the Saints should offer to the Teddy. Note that he's no longer here.

SFIAH
He wont get $20 mill on the market...Bank on it...If he does, let him walk...We roll up or down with the HILL...:)
 

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We don't sign players due to the cap all the time. Ingram and Clowney are recent examples.
Absolutely false.

Ingram's agent wanted more guaranteed money for his client. The Saints placed a value for Ingram and when he refused to agree to that value, the Saints moved on.

The same goes for Clowney. The Saints are not going to pay unlimited monies for these players. They set a limit and dont exceed it, regardless of the player. They can fit all of these guys under the cap if they need to do so with voidable years, asking other players to restructure, etc. There is ALWAYS a way to sign a free agent if they want them badly enough, but the Saints are notorious for setting a value and not exceeding it. That's just smart roster management.
 
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Absolutely false.

Ingram's agent wanted more guaranteed money for his client. The Saints placed a value for Ingram and when he refused to agree to that value, the Saints moved on.

The same goes for Clowney. The Saints are not going to pay unlimited monies for these players. They set a limit and dont exceed it, regardless of the player. They can fit all of these guys under the cap if they need to do so with voidable years, asking other players to restructure, etc. There is ALWAYS a way to sign a free agent if they want them badly enough, but the Saints are notorious for setting a value and not exceeding it. That's just smart roster management.
If the cap doesn't matter, why would you care about the value. You can always figure out the money just get the talent in here.
 

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You would offer to pay him like Teddy. He would likely reject the offer and sign somewhere else.

Folks have to stop thinking that Winston is under contract or that there's no market for him. Winston would be a fool not to get to free agency next month and at least have conversations with the rest of the league.

The Saints are not really in control of this situation. I'm sure that last year there was this same talk about what the Saints should offer to the Teddy. Note that he's no longer here.

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And less than 12 months later the Panthers no longer want Teddy and we’re about to get a 3rd round pick for him. We can do the same with Jameis if someone wants to overpay him.
 

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If the cap doesn't matter, why would you care about the value. You can always figure out the money just get the talent in here.
Absolutely. Just give everyone $30M a year and then have them renegotiate the next week to fit it all under the cap.

:rolleyes:

The cap matters because you have to fit the top 51 contracts under it. Part of the plan to do that is assigning value tonplayers, positions, production, etc. It also sets precedent for future contracts. Each one of them is planned with wiggle room. If you weren't so caught up with trying to "be right" you'd understand all of this.

I'm not right or wrong. I have no opinion on this matter. I'm just telling you what the Saints have done in the past. If there is one thing I've learned it's that past behavior is a pretty good indicator of future behavior, especially when it has led to success.
 
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The cap matters because you have to fit the top 51 contracts under it. Part of the plan to do that is assigning value tonplayers, positions, production, etc.
Exactly my point. The cap matters. You have to make hard decisions and we have made them in the past. Paying a player 30mil/yr is paying him 30mil/yr. Doesn't matter what you pay him in 2021 you will pay for that eventually so it all matters. Sounds like we agree to me.
 

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Exactly my point. The cap matters. You have to make hard decisions. Paying a player 30mil/yr is paying him 30mil/yr. Doesn't matter what you pay him in 2021 you will pay for that eventually so it all matters. Sounds like we agree to me.
It matters.

It matters a lot less when you have cap people like Harley and Loomis who pre-program loopholes into contracts.

It matters even less when you’re talking about solidifying the most important position on the field and you have those same cap experts working on his deal.
 
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It matters.

It matters a lot less when you have cap people like Harley and Loomis who pre-program loopholes into contracts.

It matters even less when you’re talking about solidifying the most important position on the field and you have those same cap experts working on his deal.
Yeap, they are better than most and you need to get the value at QB right. It's your most costly position. There will be a number though.
 

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Exactly my point. The cap matters. You have to make hard decisions and we have made them in the past. Paying a player 30mil/yr is paying him 30mil/yr. Doesn't matter what you pay him in 2021 you will pay for that eventually so it all matters. Sounds like we agree to me.
Of course the cap matters, but also it doesn't matter.
 

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I'd make his contract a $4 million base and the rest incentives.

$500k for every TD you score minus $500k for every turnover you make.

If he has the kind of season we want him to have (30 TD and 10 INT, 5 rushing TD and 2 fumbles), that equals

$15 million
 

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I'd make his contract a $4 million base and the rest incentives.

$500k for every TD you score minus $500k for every turnover you make.

If he has the kind of season we want him to have (30 TD and 10 INT, 5 rushing TD and 2 fumbles), that equals

$15 million
Winston could end up playing for free under those terms. I suppose that is one way to get under the cap LOL.
 

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