gummbo70114
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Well then, I guess this is not a poll that we’re going to be smoking
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Well then, I guess this is not a poll that we’re going to be smoking
That's not what is has become. That's what it was since the first day it was conceived. It didn't undergo some transformative process from a symbol of hope to a symbol of racism. It's always been a symbol of racism.don't misunderstand, i agree. it is just unfortunate that a simple flag had become a symbol of hatred. the flag was just a flag. it is not responsible for what it has become decades after as a poster child for hatred. the "south" was in the wrong. i also disagree with erasing history, but it is hard when people abuse it. that is what the confederate battle flag has become.
you are right. i won't dispute that.That's not what is has become. That's what it was since the first day it was conceived. It didn't undergo some transformative process from a symbol of hope to a symbol of racism. It's always been a symbol of racism.
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We needed something better to discuss than the current events, sadly this is it.
It's not even the real Confederate flag to begin with. If people were to learn the history behind it and what the real CSA flag looked like then maybe they would stop waving it altogether.
confederate flag was blue circle with 13 stars on the red background....the flag everyone so wrongly associates with racism is the confederate battle flag
All the flags used by the confederacy are racist. One isn't more racist than another. They're all deplorable. Jesus Christ, I dont give a sheet if it was the knock-off version of the flag that was only sold at Mississippi general stores on Sundays in 1863. It's racist.
That's an interesting way to put it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a historian so I don’t know the full history of the battle flags. I'd at least want to know the origins and reasons things were created and why they became the symbols they are over time. Some symbols deserve their reputations, and some don't. I'd rather we not forget our history, not because it's sacred, but rather because it's something we can learn from, least we repeat mistakes made in the past.
I'm not saying the battle flag isn't racist. I'm just saying I'm not up on the history of it.
Of course, every flag ever used officially or unofficially by the confederacy has a history. But like all images and flags used by Nazi Germany, there's no arguing they're racist because of the organization that they represent.
A confederate flag that was used unofficially is STILL unAmerican and disrespectful. The distinction being drawn here is superfluous to the intent of the conversation.
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It is very simple: it is any flag that represented the CSA.That's an interesting way to put it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a historian so I don’t know the full history of the battle flags. I'd at least want to know the origins and reasons things were created and why they became the symbols they are over time.
=I'd rather we not forget our history, not because it's sacred, but rather because it's something we can learn from, least we repeat mistakes made in the past.
The swastika was around long before Nazi Germany came around as a religious symbol though. So symbols get corrupted and changed all the time. Same with language. Bad words morph into good ones and vice versa. The swastika on it's own is amoral.
It is very simple: it is any flag that represented the CSA.
No one is saying we should forget history. But you don't see Germans plutting up statues of Josef Mengele or fly Nazi flags to remember their history.
A hooked cross all on its own may be amoral (although I'd argue that, historically, it is a religious symbol, and therefore it has some level of morality attached to it), but you tilt it, put it inside a white circle, then you put that inside a red square, you very well know exactly what that means.
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HEY!yes couRts
i'd love to make some Count von Germanname joke, but i'm a bit nappy now